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Yes, I'd be pissed if I were you too.

I'd also vote no to the contribution.  Which I did, because the title's on my wish list.
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I'm going to have to go with other on this one.

A special appearance by (say) Patrick Stewart doesn't mean he's playing himself.  Neither does it mean he's playing Picard. 

Quite a few actors appear in Curb Your Enthusiasm playing themselves (Ted Danson, for example), but others (like Steve Coogan) appear playing a specific character.  I think the credit is very specific to the character being played, and I don't think a single rule will cover everything.
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Definitely OCB.  If it has said based on the novel, then yes, OMB.  But it doesn't - it says based on a character from the novel - so clearly OCB.
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It's good that we're all equally confused.  I'm also taking it as a positive that we're all pretty much in agreement as to what constitutes a digipack/digipak.
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While we're clarifying this, then; what's a clamshell?
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With regard to the Dietrich set, wouldn't the parent count as a box, and the child profiles count as slipcases? (Not that we have child profiles yet, but I'll be grateful when someone does them - I don't have a BD drive or I'd do it myself.)

As to GSyren's original question, I'd always assumed a slip cover is an outer cardboard sleeve open at the top and bottom (what some retailers refer to as an O-ring, or something like that).

Mind you, I'm no longer sure what a box counts as, so I'm willing to be corrected by anyone.
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Bumping my earlier question because I've been going through my discs alphabetically and am about to hit this one. While I won't list the Commentary under Features, I am leaning towards including it in the audio section. Easter Egg or not it's still an audio track.

I'd say yes to this - not under features, but definitely under audio.
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I don't really care which, but ...

Is it really that important that it's necessary to contribute updates that only change the description?

This.  Utterly.  If you're updating, at least have the decency to check the cast at the very least.

Although I'd say 4 - we call a Digital Versatile Disc a DVD, so why we can't call a Blu-ray a BD is beyond me.
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I really don't understand why we don't have a credit for script editor.  Not for film credits, but for TV credits I'd say it was just as important as role as the actual writer.

In this instance, though, I don't think the credit counts.
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Andy Serkis is Gollum.  Yes, the character is animated, but it's an animated version of him.  He performed.  He was motion captured.  He deserves the credit.

Dave Prowse was Darth Vader's body.  He's physically in the film.  I can see him.  He deserves the credit.

A stand in who's replaced entirely by CGI and is just there so the other performers have the right eye-line to react to is not a performer.  They're not in the film.  They're not providing the animation and they're not motion-captured.  They shouldn't be included in the credits.

Just my opinion, though.  I dare say if I were one of the latter stand-ins I'd feel quite differently.
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The Untouchables - S3E20: Frank De Kova
The Untouchables - S4E10: Frank De Kova

Alfred Hitchcock Presents - S7E19: Frank De Kova
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No, I'd prefer a country of origin rather than a blank.  If no production company is listed, then hopefully the country is mentioned in the credits somewhere.  If there's no equivalent of "El Produccion Espana" then local knowledge should be applied (unless it's a bizarre Welles-directed Euro-coproduction, most films have a clear country of origin).

But I'd always like to have a country of origin instead of none at all.
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I think you're right not to include them, but if you'd wanted to include them, I'd also have agreed with that.  They have role names, so they're cast members.

But none of them is a much easier option.
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I've seen this myself (on opening titles, not closing credits - can't think of a single instance except for lists of stunt people and the like) and I tend to go by column, not row, which is how I read a newspaper, I suppose, so it's what I'm used to.

This doesn't help, I know.

I'm with Gamemaster; if there's some sort of clear alphabetical order, I'll follow that.  If not, I'll go column by column.
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Quoting GSyren:
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So I suppose I'm saying I'd rather you left the credits in, even if you're not sure - as long as the actor's right, that's the most important thing.

That's really not an answer to my question. My local profile will not have any roles if they are not in the credits and they are not documented. The only question is - should I contribute the roleless cast if there are corrections in the cast. You can't have your cake and eat it too. At least not in this case.

And btw, if you get roles from watching the film/episode, that's as good a source as any - if you document it.

Yes, I see what you're saying.  For what it's worth, I'd say submit the roleless cast.  You've done the work, you've checked that the cast are credited correctly.  If the credits don't allocate roles, then at least by uploading what's 100% correct you're giving others the chance to go back, watch the film and correctly identify who's playing whom.
  No one will agree with me, though.

As for having cake and eating it - I'm British.  If the last three years have taught you all anything it's that my countrymen are firmly of the belief that not only can we have cake and eat it, it wasn't necessarily our cake in the first place.  If anything, it was a cake we made as a gift for other people, but dammit we're British and we want it back.  And we want unicorns too.  That's what we voted for, that's what we want.

EDIT: Plus, we've had thirty years of our newspapers telling us that our cake is better than anyone else's, that everyone else has strange rules that they want to apply to our cake for no good reason [although these claims have been proven to be lies, but no one's talking about that any more] and that every time something has gone wrong with the preparation of our cake mixture, it's been the fault of bureaucrats in Brussels, not the people actually preparing the ingredients.
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I've just finished watching The Untouchables (great series - surprisingly violent.  How they got away with this in 1960 I have no idea).  The profiles in the database had no cast and crew info, so I've adding these disc by disc.

Crew's fine, they're comprehensive credits for an old series.  The problem is with the cast - the smaller parts are credited perfectly, but the big guest stars are credited by name only - no character names listed. 

When contributing these I could do one of two things:
- Leave some of the actors credited without roles
- Give the characters names.

As the smaller parts have credited roles, I'd prefer the guest stars to have them too.  So I'm giving them names.  But where do I get the names from?  The credits aren't remotely consistent when it comes to the named characters - some have titles, some have surnames, some have two names, some just a first name.  If the proper credits aren't consistent, how do I choose what name to give the guest stars?  If their name is in the title ("The Nero Rankin Story", for example) then that's easy - Will Kuluva gets a credit as "Nero Rankin".  But I could just as easily credit him as Mr. Rankin, Rankin or Nero.  All would be correct.  All would be used within the episode (as this concerns gangsters, it's particularly complicated by the fact that a lot of these people have nicknames like "knives" or "big Jim").

I can't see there being a right or wrong answer to this.  We clearly can't source all our information from elsewhere, partly for copyright reasons, but chiefly because the IMDb is almost always wrong (I have yet to find a single episode of The Untouchables where the IMDb actually matches the on-screen credits).  So this is largely down to personal preference.

Personally, if someone has put the work in to accurately submit the cast and crew, I'm less worried that they have the character names credited correctly - the most important part is that the actors are right, and I'm grateful that someone's put the time and work in to doing this.  If the names are on screen then fine, use that.  If they're not, then stick down whatever you want.  I'd rather a character name than a blank.  I don't care if you credit Sean Connery as 007, Bond, James, Commander Bond, Cmdr James Bond or simply James Bond.  All are correct.  The most important thing is that the credit for Sean Connery is there.  (Unless, obviously, you have no idea what the credit should be - in which case I'd rather have the actor credited correctly without a role than not be sure if the credits are correct or not.)

So I suppose I'm saying I'd rather you left the credits in, even if you're not sure - as long as the actor's right, that's the most important thing.
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I've read the discussion and changed my vote accordingly.  It makes sense for the parent to have "The Complete Legacy Collection" as part of the title, but not for the individual titles.
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I don't understand the insistence some people have on entering every word on the front cover as a title.

If we're not willing to go the whole way and call it "Blu-rayDisc Dracula Complete Legacy Collection All 6 films from the original legacy 1931-1948" then I don't see how we can call it anything other than "Dracula", with "Complete Legacy Collection" as the edition.

I'm sure someone will disagree with me, though.  And it's not as if it's a major issue: just amend the title to whatever you like, lock it, and then leave it alone in your collection.  You don't have to upload it, after all.
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I'm currently watching The Untouchables (great series - surprisingly violent.  How they got away with this in 1960 I have no idea).  The profiles in the database have no cast and crew info, so I'm adding these disc by disc.

Crew's fine, they're comprehensive credits for an old series.  The problem is with the cast - the smaller parts are credited perfectly, but the big guest stars are credited by name only - no character names listed. 

When contributing these I could do one of two things:
- Leave some of the actors credited without roles
- Give the characters names.

As the smaller parts have credited roles, I'd prefer the guest stars to have them too.  So I'm giving them names.  But where do I get the names from?  The credits aren't remotely consistent when it comes to the named characters - some have titles, some have surnames, some have two names, some just a first name.  If the proper credits aren't consistent, how do I choose what name to give the guest stars?  If their name is in the title ("The Nero Rankin Story", for example) then that's easy - Will Kuluva gets a credit as "Nero Rankin".  But I could just as easily credit him as Mr. Rankin, Rankin or Nero.  All would be correct.  All would be used within the episode (as this concerns gangsters, it's particularly complicated by the fact that a lot of these people have nicknames like "knives" or "big Jim").

I can't see there being a right or wrong answer to this.  We clearly can't source all our information from elsewhere, partly for copyright reasons, but chiefly because the IMDb is almost always wrong (I have yet to find a single episode of The Untouchables where the IMDb actually matches the on-screen credits).  So this is largely down to personal preference.

Personally, if someone has put the work in to accurately submit the cast and crew, I'm less worried that they have the character names credited correctly - the most important part is that the actors are right, and I'm grateful that someone's put the time and work in to doing this.  If the names are on screen then fine, use that.  If they're not, then stick down whatever you want.  I'd rather a character name than a blank.  I don't care if you credit Sean Connery as 007, Bond, James, Commander Bond, Cmdr James Bond or simply James Bond.  All are correct.  The most important thing is that the credit for Sean Connery is there.
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Hi Paul

I'm with both you and Cubby - it should be possible to reject some aspects of an update, and let others go through (particularly if you can see that something has been accidentally keyed incorrectly).

Sorry if I sounded confrontational.  I just find it frustrating when people don't use the actual credits for a cast.  I'd rather it was left blank than copied from somewhere else - at least then I know which films need adding correctly.  Other than that, any update you keyed (particularly if you're stating the source of your information) would be welcome and appreciated.

Thanks,
Alun.
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Paul - the thing is, you're ignoring the rules.  The cast/crew info can only be taken from the credits of the film (or TV series, etc) itself.  That's it.  You can't just copy it from Wikipedia because it's more convenient than putting a bit of effort in.

I contribute quite a bit.  I have yet to find a single entry on the IMDb which is accurate to the credits I'm looking at.  Wikipedia is even worse.  IMDb's bad, but Wikipedia's a joke.  I'd rather you didn't bother at all than have you contributing inaccurate information.

Others may disagree, of course, and that's their right.  But complaining that that your contributions aren't welcome so you'll stop making them is plain silly.  Your contributions aren't welcome because they're wrong.

And it's alright saying that the cast and crew info may be wrong, but everything else is okay so it should be accepted.  How does anyone know it's right?  You've already admitted that your cast and crew info is sourced elsewhere.  Why should anything else you contribute be any different?
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I also have a problem with the formatting, and I'm the one that added the cast.

I agree with you; I think they should have their own dividers.  But the film itself pre-empted this by listing Danny Trejo and Cheech Marin within the cast for Planet Terror (the Machete trailer came just before Planet Terror).  Using the film's own logic the trailers for Don't and Werewolf Women of the SS came just before Deathproof, so I added the uncredited cast to the Deathproof section.  I'd far rather they had their own dividers, but as the main credits had set the precedent I could see people voting the dividers down, which is why I didn't try submitting them.  What's particularly annoying is that the Trejo and Marin credits don't even acknowledge Machete, making them even less clear.
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Thriller - Jim Smilie

Prisoner Cell Block H - Jim Smillie
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In the example you've given I'd say that as Universal and StudioCanal (in association with Perfect World Pictures) are presenting a film, they're clearly the distributors, and as the film they're presenting is by Working Title (because it's a Working Title production) then clearly Working Title are the production company, and the film's country of origin is therefore the UK.

Arrow (and their sub-label Nordic Noir) release a lot of European TV here in the UK, and the credits for a lot of them have many, many production companies (including the BBC), but that doesn't make (say) Engrenages anything other than French.

But this is academic because I'm usually in agreement with you over the rules.  Generally I find that there are a small group of contributors (you among them) who are exceptionally good at contributing profiles, but beyond that I don't have much faith at all.
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You could also copy and paste the cast into a Word document, edit it from there, then re-copy and paste back into profiler.  Which is just as fiddly as AiAustria's suggestion, but equally possible.
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