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DVD profiler in my documents
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantmnemo
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not sure what would be in Application data.. I'm not backing anything up from there.. 

Thanks to Canon's default storage for photos in the program folder I lost about one gigabyte of photos several years ago when I didn't think of the location of all the photos I had made and reformatted the system drive. That sucked.
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Nothing stored in Application Data should require a backup.
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Nothing stored in Application Data should require a backup.


thanks for that. 
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To me, having the db files in My Documents just makes backing up my system easier.  I have Vista's back up and restore automatically backing up my user folder and that way I get the db files as well.  I also backup DVDP to a backup folder in my user folder and it gets backed up and I keep a current DVDP backup on my ftp server so I can downloaded it at work...or anywhere.
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Putting user data files in the Program Files directory is just plain WRONG. It's normally not done on UNIX systems and the way how it was done in Windows should never have started.

Automatically creating a folder and files in My Documents is also wrong, IMO. The database should be in AppData and when I (the user!) create an export I can put it where I want, with My Documents as a default.

There's a nice explanation by Raymond Chen regarding this and I think he nailed it quite well. "My Documents" are my documents and nothing else. When you're backing up data, you'd be better off doing an export (and import on restore) in DVD Profiler anyway.

It's probably a religious question.


But for DVD Profiler, the database is 'the user's document'
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdvdoug
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Temporary or system files that need to be written to are in the Application Data directory.

If you mean 'C:\Program Files\DVD Profiler...' with Application Data directory, this is a bad decision for Windows 2000 and XP because this directory is not writable by the user (except when he's got admin rights which he shouldn't for security reasons).

EDIT: I see that App Data is most probaly in the 'documents and settings' folder (or whatever it is named in English). Anyways 3.0.2 beta tries to access files in the program directory when I double click a credit entry or want to filter by tags and fails.


Bullhockey!  Don't tell me I shouldn't have admin rights on my own bloody PCs!  That's the problem with Microsoft.  They're so damn arrogant they think they can make all the decisions about MY system just because they're the biggest dog in the junkyard. 

Entirely too much crap gets dumped on Drive C: by people ASSuming that is where it should go.  DVDP should be fully configurable as to where it is installed.  It used to be.  I see no reason whatsoever for changing that.


No-one (either here or in Redmond) is saying that you can't have admin rights! But best practice is to only run with those rights when you need them.

btw - can you explain why you think you can't control where DVDP is installed?
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Nothing stored in Application Data should require a backup.



I created a new database and stored it in a directory on the same drive (D:\) as my Profiler main directory, then backed up the old directory and restored to the new one.  Can I delete the directory set that is under My Documents on C:\, or does that act as some kind of virtual anchor as some programs do?
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.....my work PC synchronizes all data under My Documents with the company servers



Ooh Volt, you are a bad boy...what what would IM Support say  
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Temporary or system files that need to be written to are in the Application Data directory.

If you mean 'C:\Program Files\DVD Profiler...' with Application Data directory, this is a bad decision for Windows 2000 and XP because this directory is not writable by the user (except when he's got admin rights which he shouldn't for security reasons).

EDIT: I see that App Data is most probaly in the 'documents and settings' folder (or whatever it is named in English). Anyways 3.0.2 beta tries to access files in the program directory when I double click a credit entry or want to filter by tags and fails.


Bullhockey!  Don't tell me I shouldn't have admin rights on my own bloody PCs!  That's the problem with Microsoft.  They're so damn arrogant they think they can make all the decisions about MY system just because they're the biggest dog in the junkyard. 

Entirely too much crap gets dumped on Drive C: by people ASSuming that is where it should go.  DVDP should be fully configurable as to where it is installed.  It used to be.  I see no reason whatsoever for changing that.


No-one (either here or in Redmond) is saying that you can't have admin rights! But best practice is to only run with those rights when you need them.

[b]According to whom?  Nobody else has access to my computers.
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btw - can you explain why you think you can't control where DVDP is installed?


I didn't say that.  I said it doesn't install into one directory like it used to.  You can't prevent it from dumping a bunch of stuff onto C:\ drive, no matter where you tell it to install.
John

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantmnemo
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It's probably a religious question.

But for DVD Profiler, the database is 'the user's document'

Exactly THAT is the religious question. I don't think so: The database is internal, I don't know "nothing" about it. The backup file is the one that is user created. But no need beating a dead horse, the case seems to be closed with Ken's post. ;-)
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No-one (either here or in Redmond) is saying that you can't have admin rights! But best practice is to only run with those rights when you need them.


According to whom?  Nobody else has access to my computers.


Can you guarantee that none of your software/hardware has any security flaws? If someone managed to exploit a security flaw in software you use, would you rather they have full access to your PC, or have their access to key system areas restricted?

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btw - can you explain why you think you can't control where DVDP is installed?


I didn't say that.  I said it doesn't install into one directory like it used to.  You can't prevent it from dumping a bunch of stuff onto C:\ drive, no matter where you tell it to install.


Actually, in the post before that you said:

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DVDP should be fully configurable as to where it is installed.  It used to be.  I see no reason whatsoever for changing that.
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No-one (either here or in Redmond) is saying that you can't have admin rights! But best practice is to only run with those rights when you need them.


According to whom?  Nobody else has access to my computers.


Can you guarantee that none of your software/hardware has any security flaws? If someone managed to exploit a security flaw in software you use, would you rather they have full access to your PC, or have their access to key system areas restricted?

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btw - can you explain why you think you can't control where DVDP is installed?


I didn't say that.  I said it doesn't install into one directory like it used to.  You can't prevent it from dumping a bunch of stuff onto C:\ drive, no matter where you tell it to install.


Actually, in the post before that you said:

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DVDP should be fully configurable as to where it is installed.  It used to be.  I see no reason whatsoever for changing that.


Yes, actually I can gaurantee the security of MY system.  Besides, not running full admin because you're afraid somebody is going to hack you is the same as not having anything nice in your house because you're afraid some stinkin' thief is going to steal it from you.  I won't live like that.
John

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No-one (either here or in Redmond) is saying that you can't have admin rights! But best practice is to only run with those rights when you need them.


According to whom?  Nobody else has access to my computers.


Can you guarantee that none of your software/hardware has any security flaws? If someone managed to exploit a security flaw in software you use, would you rather they have full access to your PC, or have their access to key system areas restricted?

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btw - can you explain why you think you can't control where DVDP is installed?


I didn't say that.  I said it doesn't install into one directory like it used to.  You can't prevent it from dumping a bunch of stuff onto C:\ drive, no matter where you tell it to install.


Actually, in the post before that you said:

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DVDP should be fully configurable as to where it is installed.  It used to be.  I see no reason whatsoever for changing that.


Yes, actually I can gaurantee the security of MY system.


I thought you ran Windows

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  Besides, not running full admin because you're afraid somebody is going to hack you is the same as not having anything nice in your house because you're afraid some stinkin' thief is going to steal it from you.  I won't live like that.


I'm going to ignore your analogy because I don't think the concepts are even remotely similar.

Security is not the only reason not to run as full-admin all of the time, although it is the best reason for 'normal users'.
Doug

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantKFelon
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0. Exit DVD Profiler if it's running.
1. Copy the complete (!) DVD Profiler folder somewhere else.
2. Start DVD Profiler.
3. Select File -> Open Database.
4. Browse to the collection.dat at the new location (in DVD Profiler\Databases).
5. Enter a new name for the database.
6. Select OK.
7. Select File -> Open Database.
8. Delete the (old) Default database.
9. Delete the DVD Profiler directory at the old location.

Thanks alot, this is what I needed to keep my database at work from saving a copy to the server on log off.
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Yes, actually I can gaurantee the security of MY system.  Besides, not running full admin because you're afraid somebody is going to hack you is the same as not having anything nice in your house because you're afraid some stinkin' thief is going to steal it from you.  I won't live like that.


Yeah, that's the same reason I won't wear condoms.
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Uh, great. Just installed DVDP, it created it's database on the network-based "My Documents" home dir and now I can't even access the drive because the quota's full.

Update: Phew! Works again. Probably only a hiccup.

Update 2: It's easy.

0. Exit DVD Profiler if it's running.
1. Copy the complete (!) DVD Profiler folder somewhere else.
2. Start DVD Profiler.
3. Select File -> Open Database.
4. Browse to the collection.dat at the new location (in DVD Profiler\Databases).
5. Enter a new name for the database.
6. Select OK.
7. Select File -> Open Database.
8. Delete the (old) Default database.
9. Delete the DVD Profiler directory at the old location.


Thanks for the tip, I like to keep My Documents in My Documents, not things that put themselves there.
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