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Should all TV series have Television as a Genre?
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Television is NOT a genre.  Genre is a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, marked by a distinctive style, form, or content.  Is the subject matter of your TV series about "Television" or is dramadic or comedic in content and form?

The only reason Television was ever allowed to be added as a genre in the first place was so that users could sort their TV series in their collections for report purposes.  It was never meant to be uploaded to the online database as the primary genre.

If you want to make your primary genre "Television" for sorting your TV series in your local database, fine.  But don't upload Television as the Primary genre to the online database.




So to disagree with you, I have never seen mentioned anywhere the TV (genre) mention as a means to make report.

There nothing in the rules to support you statements.... Should it be listed first or last that to is also a personel preferance.

As far as uploading it to the online, Its stll listed as a Genre and it no more my personal preference than it is yours not to be there.
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Pete:

How about this make it kind of the reverse of Studios. Lock Television into the #3 slot and work from there

Skip

Depends on what you mean... I still personally believe that it is first and foremost  Television... but if that is what the community decides (if we don't hear from Ken on the subject). I would be cool with it... as long as it can't be knocked out for "real" genres... as I said... I feel even though it is not a "true" genre... it is to important of information to loose... especially when it comes to TV Movies when the information isn't obvious. but also very important for TV Series as well.
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That is a personal preference and as you will hear me say many times, personal preference has NO placce in the Online Db, that is what your local is for.

Skip



It even says in the beloved rules, "Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation", so maybe the rule sould be changed so that NO genres are contributed at all.

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That is a personal preference and as you will hear me say many times, personal preference has NO placce in the Online Db, that is what your local is for.

Skip



What is Personal Preference to you, could be something completly different to some one else, so who is to decide which personal preferance it correct?
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Pete:

How about this make it kind of the reverse of Studios. Lock Television into the #3 slot and work from there

Skip



Why would you want to lock it into the #3 slot, would that be a personal preference?

I alway put it in the first spot, alot of user don't, I've never voted againt it, and never complained when someone changed it.
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LOL Larry.

The Rules:
Genre
Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation, which can differ among users. If your personal preference for Genre differs from the main database, you can store the information you prefer in your local database and lock the Genre field from further updates. Do not make contributions that only change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect.

I am merely suggesting that we should codify how to best handle TV, none of would argue that TV really represents a genre, even though for our purposes it is so listed.

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JD:

That is a personal preference and as you will hear me say many times, personal preference has NO placce in the Online Db, that is what your local is for.

Skip



It even says in the beloved rules, "Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation", so maybe the rule sould be changed so that NO genres are contributed at all.

JDHDVD



I don't think 'television' is in any way debatable.
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I am also assigning the "Television" genre to made-for-TV movies.
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I am also assigning the "Television" genre to made-for-TV movies.


Even though I think it is important for TV Series... I think it is even more important for TV Movies... as it is not stating the obvious.
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LOL Larry.

The Rules:
Genre
Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation, which can differ among users. If your personal preference for Genre differs from the main database, you can store the information you prefer in your local database and lock the Genre field from further updates. Do not make contributions that only change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect.

I am merely suggesting that we should codify how to best handle TV, none of would argue that TV really represents a genre, even though for our purposes it is so listed.

Skip



I'm not changing any genre that are it the database, If I change it I keep it local, but with a new contribution IT all falls back to personal!
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I just think that if you have....

Television
SciFi
Action

for one disc or parent, it should be consistant on all discs/parents for that show.
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I also don't agree that TV belongs in genres, I like the suggestion of another broader categorisation for each title including TV/film/DTV etc. But, given the fact that it IS in genres, and that I share Pete's viewpoint that TV releases are primarily TV series, this SHOULD be represented some way or other; this leaves us with the genres field. The main consideration shouldn't be where in the genres list the TV choice should be, it should be the consistency of its placement across volumes of that particular show. I'm not particularly bothered where in the genre line-up TV comes for titles, first, second or third, as long as all titles in a series are treated the same. Well, probably not second. As we seem to agree generally, TV isn't a genre, it's a medium for initial presentation, so sandwiching it inbetween two bona fide genres makes little sense.

When I work on TV titles I like to work on all the available sets for a series at once; a couple of days ago I did the R1 Brady Bunch titles. As usual, the genres were a mish-mash, the two most common arrangements however, being 'Comedy > Classic > TV' and 'Comedy > Family > TV'. Again in the name of consistency, I went with the second of those two, due to the frequency of its usage and the easier-to-stomach Family rather than Classic. If I'd worked on these from scratch, I probably would have put TV first, but it doesn't matter. It's less hassle for all to adjust as little as possible so that's what I tend to do.

My problem here is that every time I buy a new series (and when I do, I tend to grab all the available sets from the get-go), when I download the profiles, the genres are RARELY, if ever consistent; not between parents and children, not between parents for separate sets, sometimes not even within children for the same set. If people could actually take note of what has been used before in terms of genre when a new season for a show is released (and indeed extending that to such things as the episode list formatting, disc ID labelling, studios - which indeed do sometimes change between seasons, but if not then why not observe profiling history? - so on and so forth), there'd be a lot less of a headache in going over these profiles.

They're called SERIES, they should be treated that way.

Unless they're TV movies. Which the above doesn't apply to. Hroooooooom.
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I also agree that televison should be put into the #1 slot so that if I am looking for a tv series I can sort them by genre and don't have to open the filters dialog, that I never have open. It is much quicker if you are only looking for a tv show.

JDHDVD


It's good to see that people are making creative use of all the program features. I say, go ahead, as there is nothing written in the rules about it.
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THX Ken for making "Genre" an easily positional slot, because I also move TV to the last position, but I also  tag TV and child tag their different types: series, mini series, movies, etc.

As stated above there are other types such as "straight to to video" that are similar types to TV.
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I prefer Television as the last slot as well, but I think it is a requirement for TV series and TV movies.
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That is a personal preference and as you will hear me say many times, personal preference has NO placce in the Online Db, that is what your local is for.

Skip


I wonder whether there is just too much personal preference in the whole concept of "genre". There's a lot of ping-ponging on genres. Where does "adventure" end and "action" start (to take one example)? Do we really care (for the online DB) whether the production was made for the cinema or for television? Individual users may have their own preferences but I question whether genre should be in the online at all; maybe it should be a purely local thing.
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