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Btw, what makes you think a host is part of the cast?  If he/she appears in the movie/episode then give them a credit for cast, in addition to.  Hitchcock was a director, but usually did a cameo in his movies.  Does that make the director part of the cast, warranting a credit in the cast list as director?

I get the feeling that you are now just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Yes, Hitchcock was a director so he would get a credit in the crew list for director:  If he has a cameo appearance then yes, he would be credited for that in the cast list for whatever role it was he played, be it acknowledged in the credits or listed as 'uncredited' (with proof of course), as well as being credited as the director of the movie.

Steven Speilberg has done the same several times and he has been credited in every profile I've seen where this occurs, in exactly the same way as mentioned above.  Where's the issue?

The problem here is that you are saying the host of a TV programme is not a member of the cast but a member of the crew.  I would ask you why you think an actor (or in some cases the director) appearing on screen either aurally or visually, during the main feature of a TV programme/movie should be listed as anything other than another cast member, playing a role of host?


I don't think a host is an actor.  Saying so is like saying a news reporter is an actor just because she/he is on TV.  The Host should get a credit, but not at the expense of adding even more repetitive listings to the cast list.
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Hitchcock was a director, but usually did a cameo in his movies.  Does that make the director part of the cast, warranting a credit in the cast list as director?


sometimes i really wonder if you actually use DVD Profiler and own/watch any movies or if you're just a forum troll... really, you don't want to tell us you never knew about cameos being part of the cast lists in DVD Profiler profiles, do you?!?!
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I don't think a host is an actor.  Saying so is like saying a news reporter is an actor just because she/he is on TV.  The Host should get a credit, but not at the expense of adding even more repetitive listings to the cast list.


since when do only actor get listes in the cast credits? we have seen crew cameos, animals, stuntmen, stand-ins, extras, puppeteers, voice-only... do i have to say more?
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As being of younger age I never watched Hitchcock. But is it similar to Jonathan Frakes presenting "Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction"?
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Hitchcock was a director, but usually did a cameo in his movies.  Does that make the director part of the cast, warranting a credit in the cast list as director?


sometimes i really wonder if you actually use DVD Profiler and own/watch any movies or if you're just a forum troll... really, you don't want to tell us you never knew about cameos being part of the cast lists in DVD Profiler profiles, do you?!?!


Keep your personal comments to yourself.  I have as much right as you or anybody else to express my opinion, and I flat out don't give a crap what you think about how I use Profiler.  That's none of your business.  Now, can you deal with discussing something, or are you another of the "my way or the highway crew"?
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As being of younger age I never watched Hitchcock. But is it similar to Jonathan Frakes presenting "Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction"?


Yes.
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As being of younger age I never watched Hitchcock. But is it similar to Jonathan Frakes presenting "Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction"?


Yes.


the discussion wasn't only about Hitchcock as host of his series but also about his cameo appearances in his movies
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I don't think a host is an actor.  Saying so is like saying a news reporter is an actor just because she/he is on TV.  The Host should get a credit, but not at the expense of adding even more repetitive listings to the cast list.


In the type of programme the original poster was discussing, yes the host is acting, despite the fact they are still playing "themselves", and should definitely be in the cast list.
Whether they should be credited every episode or once at the top, I'd go for the once at the top option as it would avoid needless repetition.
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In shows like 'The Twilight Zone' the host is on before and after the episode, but is not part of it. So I would say at the top of the list for the host in this case.

In the case of a show like Saturday Night Live, the host should be listed along with the main cast.

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In shows like 'The Twilight Zone' the host is on before and after the episode, but is not part of it. So I would say at the top of the list for the host in this case.

In the case of a show like Saturday Night Live, the host should be listed along with the main cast.

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That's a good distinction pdf. Maybe we should use that as the guideline for where to put the name.
ie. if the host is not an integral part of the episodes, they go outside the episodic cast lists, otherwise they are listed with the rest of the cast.
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In shows like 'The Twilight Zone' the host is on before and after the episode, but is not part of it. So I would say at the top of the list for the host in this case.

In the case of a show like Saturday Night Live, the host should be listed along with the main cast.

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That's a good distinction pdf. Maybe we should use that as the guideline for where to put the name.
ie. if the host is not an integral part of the episodes, they go outside the episodic cast lists, otherwise they are listed with the rest of the cast.


That is a good, common sense approach.  I can sign on to that.
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How would one list Ed Sullivan, Johnny Carson, Sonny & Cher? They all hosted their own shows. Ed simply introduced acts, Johnny did interviews and comedy sketches, Sonny & Cher acted as well as performed.

Hosting is a performance, like giving a speech. A speaker is not part of the crew. Just as we list musicians as cast when they play their music, just as we watched Thriller (at first) not so much for the cast members but for Boris Karloff -- a host is a member of the cast, whether playing himself, or as a character.

I would suggest cast member for the series, before the episode casts for series like Twilight Zone, Ed Sullivan, Johnny, and also as a member of specific episodes where the host takes a role in the story of that episode.

Johnny had prewritten questions, although his work involved ad libbing. Rod Sirling (Twilight Zone, Night Gallery) read copy he had written. Hitchcock and Karloff read scripts written for them.

Cast members, definitely.
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In shows like 'The Twilight Zone' the host is on before and after the episode, but is not part of it. So I would say at the top of the list for the host in this case.

In the case of a show like Saturday Night Live, the host should be listed along with the main cast.

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That's a good distinction pdf. Maybe we should use that as the guideline for where to put the name.
ie. if the host is not an integral part of the episodes, they go outside the episodic cast lists, otherwise they are listed with the rest of the cast.


Of course I would go with a majority on such of an exception... but I would still vote for as credited... if anyone is credited for every episode.. they should be credited in profiler for every episode.
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... but I would still vote for as credited... if anyone is credited for every episode.. they should be credited in profiler for every episode.


I'm curious, I get the impression from people's comments this has been debated, but never saw the thread, do you know what it was called? I'd be interested in reading the arguments as I have to admit I can see the benefits of having regular cast listed outside the episode cast lists. TIA 
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Is this something like Band of Brothers? Where you have different peoples from the actual unit talking about what happened?
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Is this something like Band of Brothers? Where you have different peoples from the actual unit talking about what happened?


Not quite. As I remember in the case of the Hitchcock series, the man himself would be the first person seen on screen after the credits; he would get about a 20 second slot, when he would intoduce the plot line, ending with a cryptic comment. I don't think he appeared at the end (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), and did not appear (?) as a cast member of the story itself.

A similar device was used in the TV series Dixon of Dock Green, where Jack Warner appeared (as a host) at the beginning and the end of each episode, but he was in costume, and did appear in the story.
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