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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDraxen
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Quoting ya_shin:
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Always use dot after initials


I have one addition to this "rule":

Always enter a space between a dot after the first initial, and the next initial. As far as I understand...

1) A. B. Smith is correct, while...
2) A.B. Smith is not

There are many entries of type 2 in the main database, but I believe the type 1 is a correct for common name. Types 1 and 2 do not crosslink unfortunately.
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This should already been taken care of if the contributor made the original contribution correctly A. / B. / Smith.  What happens is some contributors look at the on screen credits and see no space and enter the A.B. in the first name field.

Now that we have the as credited feature they should be using A. / B. / Smith as the common name and if the credits display A.B. Smith use that as the as credited as name.  That would fix the linking issue and yet stay true to the as credited on screen credits.
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I also think that honorifics like Sir and Dame (and probably military titles like Major and Captain, and other similar titles like Father etc.) should not be part of common names, but should instead be used in the "Credited as" field:

Examples:

Common name:              Credited as:
Ben Kingsley                    Sir Ben Kingsley
Arthur Conan Doyle          Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Judi Dench                      Dame Judi Dench
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This should already been taken care of if the contributor made the original contribution correctly A. / B. / Smith.  What happens is some contributors look at the on screen credits and see no space and enter the A.B. in the first name field.

Now that we have the as credited feature they should be using A. / B. / Smith as the common name and if the credits display A.B. Smith use that as the as credited as name.  That would fix the linking issue and yet stay true to the as credited on screen credits.

Agreed.

Splitting two initials to the two name fields could/should be made mandatory.

However, Draxen's description remains valid for entries with two middle initials. ...which will also help to make it look cleaner, if there are three initials (J. R. R. Tolkien )
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I also think that honorifics like Sir and Dame (and probably military titles like Major and Captain, and other similar titles like Father etc.) should not be part of common names, but should instead be used in the "Credited as" field:

Examples:

Common name:              Credited as:
Ben Kingsley                    Sir Ben Kingsley
Arthur Conan Doyle          Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Judi Dench                      Dame Judi Dench

Agreed as well.
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I think the dropping of nicknames thing and also the accents are a more problematic issue (non-natives might not always be aware if there should be accents or not...)


I have already noticed issues with this espically when the nick name is the most commonly credited name (common name).  Take Buzz Knudson for example he is almost always credited as Buzz Knudson.


'Buzz Knudson' is not covered by this Rule modification.  The only time the nickname is dropeed is if the "as credited" is in the format 'John "Nickname" Doe'.
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Quoting Draxen:
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Quoting ya_shin:
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Always use dot after initials


I have one addition to this "rule":

Always enter a space between a dot after the first initial, and the next initial. As far as I understand...

1) A. B. Smith is correct, while...
2) A.B. Smith is not

There are many entries of type 2 in the main database, but I believe the type 1 is a correct for common name. Types 1 and 2 do not crosslink unfortunately.


This needs to be a rule applied to the "as credited" name where needed.  The Common Name should have the two initials in the first and middle  name fields, so it would not need to be specified.

I agree with Achim, it should be specified for the times where there are two middle initials.
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Quoting Behemot:
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I also think that honorifics like Sir and Dame (and probably military titles like Major and Captain, and other similar titles like Father etc.) should not be part of common names, but should instead be used in the "Credited as" field:

Examples:

Common name:              Credited as:
Ben Kingsley                    Sir Ben Kingsley
Arthur Conan Doyle          Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Judi Dench                      Dame Judi Dench


I'd go along with this, as well.
Hal
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Not quite sure which thread to discuss this in, so I'll put it here.

One thing I've noticed in the name variant report is entries that use a hyphen to indicate compound names, such as "Amanda Winn-Lee".  Now, I've never seen any instance of her name (in credits or otherwise) including the dash; it's always just "Amanda Winn Lee". 

The dash I presume is some visual cue for people, and helps distinguish between Amanda//Winn Lee and Amanda/Winn/Lee when it would not otherwise be obvious (thus avoiding more entries that use the middle-name version).  I'm just not sure if it's the proper way to have the common name.  If we make the rule that compound names should always be hyphenated, though, that would be fine.

In addition, I tried editing the Amanda//Winn-Lee version to Amanda//Winn Lee to see the effects.  The variant report shows that all shows that used this version of the name still link together with the name without the dash.  If I were to upload this, though (which I won't right now), what effect would it have on another person's database?  Would they have Amanda//Winn Lee instead of Amanda//Winn-Lee, or would both entries show up (and cause another link breakage)?  Would need to know no matter which way the rules go (always use hyphen or only use if used in name).

I think I asked about this same thing in another thread and never got an answer from Ken.
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Verify that the profile you have that shows her name with the hyphen is the same way in the film credits.  If not chances are the original contributor took the data from another source other than the film credits which is a rules violation.

Next you need to verify that the last name is really Winn Lee, if so then you can make the contribution based on what is seen on the film credits.

As far as making a common name contribution with or without the hypen.  Right now I would say that creating an artifical compound name by adding a hyphen espically when they haven't been credited with the hyphen would be a bad idea. Even if they have been credited once or twice with a hyphen still would be a bad idea, if the majority of their work has been done without the hyphen.  Your going to break more profile linking by creating artifical common names.

Becareful of using the variant for making online submission the variant tool only shows what is in your local DB has no relation to the online DB as a whole.
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In addition, I tried editing the Amanda//Winn-Lee version to Amanda//Winn Lee to see the effects.  The variant report shows that all shows that used this version of the name still link together with the name without the dash.


Ugh, I think I wrote that poorly.  What I mean is, all current instances have a dash in the compound name.  If I edit one profile to remove the dash, all instances that did have the dash no longer have the dash, and still link together.  There are no instances of the name without the dash before the edit, so I'm not sure if that would link (or even be allowed in the edit).

And I'm not really using the variant as the basis for submissions, I'm using it to locate problem names, which may be easy fixes, or more fussy issues.  In this case, there are three names for Amanda:  Amanda//Winn (maiden name), Amanda/Winn/Lee, and Amanda//Winn-Lee.  There may be Amanda//Winn Lee entries out there somewhere as well.  Just trying to figure out what exactly would be involved in "fixing" it, as well as figuring out if the existing hyphenated name is an indication of people wanting compound names identified as such in some manner.
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So you edited the name, then yes it will change everything using that name to what you had edited it to.

You need to change the edited Amanda//Winn Lee to Amanda//Winn-Lee, this will change all those profiles back to the hyphened name.

I would edit the Amanda/Winn/Lee to Amanda//Winn Lee if that is how she uses her last name now.

Then use the replace feature to replace the existing Amanda//Winn-Lee to Amanda//Winn Lee for the profile you originally tried to change.

Hope that helps.
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Last night I encountered 2 names -- and I can't currently remember what they were -- but they were like this: "A. B. John Smith". On both of them, there were variations of:

A./B. John/Smith
and
A. B./John/Smith

I chose A./B. John/Smith. I like A. B./John/Smith better, but it didn't seem "within the rules".
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I have decided to stop contributing corrections/changes to common names to fix cross linking.  You can't make everyone happy and I am growing tired of researching and reresearching my changes to make people happy.  On that same note, I really hate it when names are in call caps in the credits.
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On that same note, I really hate it when names are in call caps in the credits.


That's about 90% of the American film credits. 
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Last night I encountered 2 names -- and I can't currently remember what they were -- but they were like this: "A. B. John Smith". On both of them, there were variations of:

A./B. John/Smith
and
A. B./John/Smith

I chose A./B. John/Smith. I like A. B./John/Smith better, but it didn't seem "within the rules".


\My grandfathers name was A. G. Frank Maffeo. His first name(s) were actually Anthony Gerald. Of course, he went by Frank

So, I can see an argument for how you liked it, with the initials in the first name field.
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