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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting northbloke:
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I thought about that, but what about all the foreign films that have been released in the US?
Neither region code nor locality can really be used to guarantee CoO.

Since most of those would have 'foreign' as a genre they would be easy to filter out and correct. 

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And if you think about it, a lot of the major studios' releases will already be in the new database, as they will be owned by more people, so a lot of the profiles needing transferring are more likely to be the rarer/less popular titles, which are less likely to follow convention.

True. 

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I say, if we can't find a way to make the selection more reliable, keep it blank.

Hate to see all those CoO contributions come through again....a;though the titles for my collection are already updated so.....

Actually I have mostly major studio releases, very few foreign films (not counting LoTR ) and have 95% of my CoOs completed so.... (in my best Rifter voice) Leave it blank, fill it in, do whatever the hell you damn well please, it's all garbage anyway. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Quoting goodguy:
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So... does anyone remember the assignment of a default locality to the 2.x (or was that 1.x) profiles? That was never cleaned up and the 2.x database still contains a vast number of profiles with incorrect localities.

Don't make the same mistake again. Leave the CoO field blank.


I never knew about that, obviously before my time. I wondered where all the dodgy localities had come from.
And you're right, it's even more reason to leave it blank. I'd rather have a load of blank entries than a load of wrong ones.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I voted to leave them blank.

My reasoning is that there actually won't be a ton of contributions to fix these.  If people cared enough about these to enter the CoO and submit them, that would have already happened.  I'd guess that the majority of these profiles will simply sit in the new database and not be touched for ages.  In light of that, I'd rather they be missing data than filled in with potentially wrong data.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I don't see the problem in keeping them blamnk and therefore not creating wrong data. The updates won't flood in! This is only about profiles being merged over from IVS, no existing profile is affected.

I have 1300+ profiles. Around 90 are not in the Invelos databse and I expect about 50 to "pop up" through the merge. If we all just keep it easy and actual audit these profiles before contributing just the CoO by itself, nothing out of the ordinary will happen.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantjohnd
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Leave them blank. Any process that results in incorrect information being entered into the database should be vetoed.

Leaving them blank means that someone is likely to fill in the info. Creating a default will encourage people to not check it.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorErik
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Nuke the whole thing.

Sorry, someone had to say it...
Erik

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributoreggerty
Registered: March 14, 2007
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Leave it blank.

This should only affect a smallish number of profiles per user. If there is something in the field it is less likely to get checked. To assume that someone will go through all their US CoO and check to see if theu are correct is assuming too much of most people.

No information is better than wrong information.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantGraveworm
Registered: April 7, 2007
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What has region got to do with the COO? Most of my region 2s are also from the US as well. But India makes far more films than the US so should we default to India? Hong Kong is not far behind add in the rest of Asia they make more than the US.
I go with the empty fields get filled and there can be some debate if necessary. Incorrect fields might get overlooked especially as most of the Ana .. ehm more meticulous contributors and voters will already have audited their own collections which will have accounted for a lot of the existing Database. Likewise all new titles will get uplifted with COO so it will only be mostly obscure titles which in my limited experience are the ones more likely to:
1. Slip through unchecked
2. Be non US COO
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Blank, it doesnt take long till the old profiles have been added, and thus ending the issue.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Leave them blank, as many other stated: no data is better than wrong data.

Quoting northbloke:
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how about a submission amnesty for CoOs for a defined period after the merger?

Or something along that line. Not a, say full amnesty, but changes from blank to anything could be accepted automatically, further changes would be voted upon.
Yes, that would mean that on disputed titles the contributions go from 1 to 2, but on the whole I think that will save a lot of time.

cya, Mithi

PS And if my faint hope that we someday get an imdb-id-field come true that should be handled likewise. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarxon
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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After reading the three pages, here's my take:

Basically, Ken is suggesting to steer away from accuracy of the online db to accomodate an easier way to enter data. Something the user community has tried to avoid at all costs during the past years. Just thinking of the anal arguments we've had in the past should inidcate very well how the majority would think about this.

I'll keep in mind that Rifter actually welcomes entering wrong data for the benefit of a reduced work load. I'm sure others in this forum will make this one stick. I bet this statement will come back to haunt you in future discussions about accuracy vs. practicability and / or consistency, John.

While I can understand where Ken is coming from, and I also find the CoO only contributions tiresome, I don't think the introduction of a new field justifies giving up the principles of the online db. IMO, the annoying part is not the voting on these submissions, but the necessity to preview them like erverything else upon updates. I'd rather see something implemented to automatically update approved CoO without listing this update for preview, i. e. keeping these submissions in the voting and evaluation process, but taking them out of the user controlled update process (maybe something like the updaqte of the online list).

So, to sum it up:

Leave the field blank by default, and if it's possible to autoupdate approved and voted upon CoO contributions, do that.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Voted for Some Other Cool Third Option Which I Shall List In My Reply

My cool third option:

Region 1 DVD default to USA as the CoO and all other regions have the field left blank.

Agreed.
Martin Zuidervliet

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The high number of DVDs released in the US and the high number of users affected actually works against the CoO = USA option; the DVDs with the fewest users are the hardest ones to get info on... and those are the ones that will be the worst hit.  The latest blockbuster will be corrected numerous times and shan't be an issue.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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Quoting Darxon:
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After reading the three pages, here's my take:

I'll keep in mind that Rifter actually welcomes entering wrong data for the benefit of a reduced work load. I'm sure others in this forum will make this one stick. I bet this statement will come back to haunt you in future discussions about accuracy vs. practicability and / or consistency, John.



First of all, don't presume to know what I would or would not welcome.  If this were going by what *I* wanted, CoO wouldn't be there  AT ALL.
John

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSquirrelecto
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Leave blank.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDariusKyrak
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Registered: March 23, 2007
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I'm certainly in the 'leave blank' camp. The vast majority of profiles that people own should already be in the new database by now, so all that's coming across is the less owned (and less corrected / scrutinised) profiles which are considerably more likely to be non-US.

Just out of curiosity, can someone who still has version 2.x do a quick check on how many US locality profiles there are in 2.x vs. 3.x? I'm guessing that the figures will be relatively similar (maybe within 20% of each other) as compared with other localities (maybe 50% or less). I think it would be fair to assume that US will have a stronger bias of US movies than some other countries and if the US is better catered for in the new database, it strengthens the argument that those coming across will not be US films.
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