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Method to determine the "production year"
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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I agreed with the copyright date at first but now I'm not so sure anymore, maybe we should stick to release date and simply ask Ken to rename the field.  As for the source of information, most DVDs if not all have the year printed somewhere on the back, there's also many online retailers that show that and there is the community here.  That should make it easy enough to find when necessary.

You got me there... I always assumed, that the date/year on the back of the cover (usually preceeded by (C)), refers to the copyright date, and not the Theatrical Release.

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And I always assumed it's the release year but you got me thinking now.  I was not referring to the copyright date.  I noticed many times that there's a year printed on the back of a DVD, I used it a few times to compare with the packaging date to see if my copy was re-release when the cover didn't match the online db.

I'll check a few when I get home tonight, if it's the copyright date then it's no good.


The copyright on the back of the box is usually that of the cover art and package, and of the DVD production itself, and has nothing to do with the film itself.
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[...] Take a look at ANY movie database, or ANY movie reference guide, and try to find even one that isn't organized around the theatrical release date.  It's simply ludicrous to think we are smarter than the entire world on this, especially that part of the world that MAKES the movies!


How about IMDB? Just look up "Cani arrabbiati" by Mario Bava. They list it as "1974" even though it was first released in 1998. Now, I haven't checked the copyright year, but it is patently obvious that IMDB is not fixated on theatrical release year.
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So let me get this right here.,, : Here is a cut and paste of Trivia of 'Casablanca' from a website-
The Allies invaded Casablanca in real life on 8 November 1942. As the film was not due for release until spring, studio executives suggested it be changed to incorporate the invasion. Warner Bros. chief Jack L. Warner objected, as he thought that an invasion was a subject worth a whole film, not just an epilogue, and that the main story of this film demanded a pre-invasion setting. Eventually he gave in, though, and producer Hal B. Wallis prepared to shoot an epilogue where Humphrey Bogart and Claude Rains hear about the invasion. However, before Rains could travel to the studio for this, David O. Selznick (whose studio owned Bergman's contract) previewed the film and urged Warner to release it unaltered and as fast as possible. Warner agreed and the premiered in New York on November 26. It did not play in Los Angeles until its general release the following January, and hence competed against 1943 films for the Oscars.

So is Casablanca  1942  or 1943  ??? , our data base reflects 1942 .
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I have trouble with dating some documentary from WWI and WWII

The actual filming is done in 1914 or 1941 and so on...

Is it normal to set the date for this kind of DVD to the production year of the actual documentary? or may it be set to the actual year the fimlimg took place?

In many cases it is a full feature that was realesed in theaters during the war, in that case I have set the year to that particular year as best as I can... But ofthen they only use bits of material from diferent productions over the war, and the date is more difficult to set.
Some of the Boxes to be bought is a mix of these, full features released during war and other material from diferent sources.


Sorry if this dosent came directly under this topic, but I am not a fan of starting new thread for everything.
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I'm in with the people who want theatrical release date (as slippery as that may be---I still remember the wrangles with Skip over Fantasia 2000).  I can understand the clarity of the copyright date, but that's not useful information as far as I'm concerned, especially when there is a substantial lapse of time between the creation of the work and its copyright effectiveness and the issuance of the completed work.
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The copyright on the back of the box is usually that of the cover art and package, and of the DVD production itself, and has nothing to do with the film itself.


As I said, I was not referring to the copyright year.  Some DVDs have the year of the movie on the back.  I checked a few of my high-res back covers and unfortunately it doesn't seem to be many so I guess it could only be use a fall back when needed and if it's there.
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The copyright on the back of the box is usually that of the cover art and package, and of the DVD production itself, and has nothing to do with the film itself.

So the art and packaging for my "A Fish Called Wanda" DVD (just something I had near the PC) was created in 1988
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The copyright on the back of the box is usually that of the cover art and package, and of the DVD production itself, and has nothing to do with the film itself.

So the art and packaging for my "A Fish Called Wanda" DVD (just something I had near the PC) was created in 1988


If you read the small print you will usually find many dates in it.  The movie copyright date, the packaging date etc.

As for the date I was talking about before I checked a few more covers and it seems to be something that MGM/United artists does.  Most (if not all) or their dvds have a line somewhere that looks like

Feature Runtime: x hours x minutes ° Color ° Year ° XXXXX (Probably registration number)

I thought it was more common but it seems specific to that studio
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I never trust packaging, Hollywood has trained me well to be suspicious, I always go straight to the source.

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I never trust packaging, Hollywood has trained me well to be suspicious, I always go straight to the source.

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But then, history has proven that we can't trust end credits entirely either 
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I never trust packaging, Hollywood has trained me well to be suspicious, I always go straight to the source.

Skip

But I thought you wanted to use the Theatrical Release date, which is not available at the source, only the copyright date is.
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Useful or not, Skip, the field is named "Produced" in the Profiler and "Production Year" in thr rules, not "Released" or "Release Year". So your statement "The copyright date of a film may have absolutely nothing to do with the release date" is only backing up my position.


You are using flawed logic.  You are saying to change the rule to match the field name.  I could also say, since the rule for the field says to "Enter the year of the original theatrical release," that we should just change the field name.

Now that I think about it, that would probably be the easiest change to make. 
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[...] Take a look at ANY movie database, or ANY movie reference guide, and try to find even one that isn't organized around the theatrical release date.  It's simply ludicrous to think we are smarter than the entire world on this, especially that part of the world that MAKES the movies!


How about IMDB? Just look up "Cani arrabbiati" by Mario Bava. They list it as "1974" even though it was first released in 1998. Now, I haven't checked the copyright year, but it is patently obvious that IMDB is not fixated on theatrical release year.


You are leaving out important information.  While they do list it as Cani arrabbiati (1974), if you look at the profile for the film it clearly states: Release Date:25 February 1998 (USA).  As a matter of fact, they have that bit of information on every profile.

I don't know why you would leave that out other than to bolster your claim that they don't care about theatrical release year. 
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You are using flawed logic.  You are saying to change the rule to match the field name.  I could also say, since the rule for the field says to "Enter the year of the original theatrical release," that we should just change the field name.

Now that I think about it, that would probably be the easiest change to make. 

Of course it would be, but since I'm only a member of the rules comittee and not the Profiler's programmer, I'm trying to make the best out of what we got. So should you, too.

Btw, even if Ken changed the field's name, it would still be yet another field with information that can only be gathered from third party sites.
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I never trust packaging, Hollywood has trained me well to be suspicious, I always go straight to the source.

Skip


But then, history has proven that we can't trust end credits entirely either 



In your opinion, Touti. There is only one source for data for any given movie and that is the movie's own credits.

Oh I forgot some of think we can detcet errors.....only IF you worked on the film's credits. Otherwise all you can say is that you THINK something is an error...you can't know it.

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Touti:

I never trust packaging, Hollywood has trained me well to be suspicious, I always go straight to the source.

Skip

But I thought you wanted to use the Theatrical Release date, which is not available at the source, only the copyright date is.


Achim:

I was simply addressing the comment.

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