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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
People don't like you using info from IMDB. it's the IMDb that don't like people using them as a source; they have threatened legal action in the past which is why the Rules say not to use them (any 3rd party database) | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Secondary note - the notes must be in English. You're welcome to write native language notes, but please also include an English translation, even if you have to use an automated translation. And which Mach I, if I speak only German, and my English enough is not good, in order to write the Contribution Notes on English? Then as a fiasko comes here raus as that, and with the whole special expressions, which Babelfish does not know anyway, wird's only quite merrily  LOL. Oh yeah, things are gonna get interesting... and hilarious. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | This seems a suitable time to ask one i've been wondering about (since it's also not in the rules).
Is it permitted to give source (for an R2 release for example) as "Credits from R1 release which came out 3 months ago"?
Maybe with the caveat "R1 disc contribution notes state all credits taken from screen" or "R1 in database unchanged for 6 months"?
I know very occasionally with very old or foreign films the credits are re-made but in 99.9% of cases for English language releases it seems a huge waste to replicate the work in each locality.
Opinions? Guidance from Ken? | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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People don't like you using info from IMDB.
it's the IMDb that don't like people using them as a source; they have threatened legal action in the past which is why the Rules say not to use them (any 3rd party database) this is not yet in the rules, as I remember it was a message from Ken in the forum. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: May 28, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | I used the source only for the year of production. I could also use www.ofdb.de for such info. There should be a list with sources not to use. That would make it easier to avoid this problem. | | | | Raphael |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
This seems a suitable time to ask one i've been wondering about (since it's also not in the rules).
Is it permitted to give source (for an R2 release for example) as "Credits from R1 release which came out 3 months ago"?
Maybe with the caveat "R1 disc contribution notes state all credits taken from screen" or "R1 in database unchanged for 6 months"?
I know very occasionally with very old or foreign films the credits are re-made but in 99.9% of cases for English language releases it seems a huge waste to replicate the work in each locality.
Opinions? Guidance from Ken? Exact my thougt! If we can rely on already contributed data, why do we have to reinvent the wheel? | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,309 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Quoting Voltaire53:
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Quoting northbloke:
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People don't like you using info from IMDB.
it's the IMDb that don't like people using them as a source; they have threatened legal action in the past which is why the Rules say not to use them (any 3rd party database)
this is not yet in the rules, as I remember it was a message from Ken in the forum. Actually... it is... in the introduction section of the rules... Rules Quote: Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't make a correction to an existing profile based on the content of a third party database or the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. Quoting RAPMAN: Quote:
I used the source only for the year of production. I could also use www.ofdb.de for such info. There should be a list with sources not to use. That would make it easier to avoid this problem. as you see above... no 3rd party database is allowed... If you want to verify what is on the back of the case (in most cases) you can usually get this year off the end credits. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RAPMAN: Quote:
I used the source only for the year of production. I could also use www.ofdb.de for such info. There should be a list with sources not to use. That would make it easier to avoid this problem. That's the crucial question: which sources are legal, allowed, reliable and accepted by the community (excepting the credits on dvd's itself...)? | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,309 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kahless: Quote:
Quoting Voltaire53:
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This seems a suitable time to ask one i've been wondering about (since it's also not in the rules).
Is it permitted to give source (for an R2 release for example) as "Credits from R1 release which came out 3 months ago"?
Maybe with the caveat "R1 disc contribution notes state all credits taken from screen" or "R1 in database unchanged for 6 months"?
I know very occasionally with very old or foreign films the credits are re-made but in 99.9% of cases for English language releases it seems a huge waste to replicate the work in each locality.
Opinions? Guidance from Ken?
Exact my thougt! If we can rely on already contributed data, why do we have to reinvent the wheel? I would never update just going by someone else's submission... especially if there is no notes that say it is taken from the end credits... The most I would do is download it for a starting point and then verify it myself... not only would I not feel right about putting it out there without doing the work myself... even if it does say that it was done by the end credits don't mean there wasn't a mistake made in that submission that no one caught. So I for one would feel ok about using it... but I would still have to insist on verifying the info before contributing it. That is my opinion on this matter at least. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I would never update just going by someone else's submission... especially if there is no notes that say it is taken from the end credits... The most I would do is download it for a starting point and then verify it myself... not only would I not feel right about putting it out there without doing the work myself... even if it does say that it was done by the end credits don't mean there wasn't a mistake made in that submission that no one caught.
I agree, the submission should be verified for the new contribution. Otherwise the quality of the data could dilute. But it' very much easier to edit an existing profile as to to start from scratch if there is no need to! | | | | Thorsten | | | | Last edited: by kahless |
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| Registered: May 28, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
as you see above... no 3rd party database is allowed... If you want to verify what is on the back of the case (in most cases) you can usually get this year off the end credits. No problem, from now on I always use the dvd credits. | | | | Raphael |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues? That would be plain ridiculous... it's not like you actually copied it, especially in the case of merely a title. Maybe we should have some code, like : got the info from BDMI  . | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Actually... it is... in the introduction section of the rules...
Rules Quote:
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The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't make a correction to an existing profile based on the content of a third party database or the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
this would not apply to new profiles? (don't make a correction to an existing profile based on the content of a third party database) | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,309 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
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I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues?
That would be plain ridiculous... it's not like you actually copied it, especially in the case of merely a title. Maybe we should have some code, like : got the info from BDMI . or... follow the rules and do not use a 3rd party database for the online database. That would work!  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues?
That would be plain ridiculous... it's not like you actually copied it, especially in the case of merely a title. Maybe we should have some code, like : got the info from BDMI . Leave imdb out of the picture unless Ken tells differently. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues?
That would be plain ridiculous... it's not like you actually copied it, especially in the case of merely a title. Maybe we should have some code, like : got the info from BDMI . This is not a wink wink, nudge nudge "rule". We do not want IMDB data, or data from any third party database, entered into DVD Profiler. The reason for this is that they have invested much time and money (as we have) into generating and maintaining their database. Copying their database is theft. If that weren't enough reason, third party databases routinely spike their data with "poison" data - false data designed to identify and prove cases of theft. The requirement for naming the source is not designed to allow Invelos plausible deniability. If the submitted data came from the IMDB or another source, we need to know that so we may properly decline the submission. Falsely stating the source of data in an attempt to bypass this will result in an immediate and permanent ban from contributing. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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