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Should Contributions Be Both Complete And Correct Or Just Correct?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
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If this flies it has to apply to ALL datasets equally, NO eexceptions, Cast and crew INCLUDED.

Skip

Why? I can think of a reason to make an exception for cast/crew (the sheer size of those datasets) but can't think of a reason why it HAS to include them.

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At first, I had voted that if you tackle a specific field in your contribution, you should make sure it is both correct and complete.

But then, I started thinking a little more. And the precedent it would create actually defeats the purpose of the program as a collaborative effort. There are fields where you have no choice but to make them complete and correct, as they contain only simple data. But Cast? Crew? especially those multi-episode divided ones, should I really be expected to verify every single entry just because I noticed a typo in the directors name? 

So I changed my vote. I think a contribution should add correct data, but if the error was present before, you can't demand that it be corrected.


Not the entire cast list for ALL episodes, maybe, but at least for the one you made changes to.
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There should be one more choice:

All flelds "Complete and Correct", with the exception of cast and crew, which must be correct but may be incomplete.


I agree with this.

If your choice becomes popular enough to challenge either of the other top two choices, I'll redo the poll. As it is now, this thing isn't even close and a clear winner seems eminent.


To be fair, you can't really claim an overwhelming preference if all the choices possible are not there.  On that basis, I think you should redo the poll and include ALL the variations.  Btw, I think you meant 'imminent' not 'eminent' unless you're talking about 'eminent domain'! 
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The rules also state for overview that you are to make sure that all words that appear in bold or italics are idenetified with the "" characters. Not just the oens that you think should be idnetified.

And I agree with this.  If you submit the Overview, it should be the entire overview and it should match for italics and the like. That's clear in the rules.

But submitting the entire cast and/or crew in one shot?  I don't think so.  A group of people could team up on a collection, each one contributing a different part so as not to burn themselves out, but if they have to do ALL of it, it would defeat that.
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This is going to be a joke, you all know thst right?

Now if I want, I can type one sentence of the overview, as long as it is correct, you cannot vote no.

Unless the overview is only one sentence it can never be correct. It would not match what is on the cover as required. I can vote no.

If you have to fill out EVERYTHING then users are required to have a scanner and DVD ROM to contribute?

I would much rather have a half filled out (but correct) profile as a starting point then have to create one from scratch.
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If this flies it has to apply to ALL datasets equally, NO eexceptions, Cast and crew INCLUDED.

Skip

*EDITED* Please stay on topic and polite.

Cast and Crew are completely different to all other fields. They are even treated differently in the voting screens in that the specific changes are highlighted, rather than just an overall change being highlighted.

I am totally with Hal and others on this, and the poll you be updated to allow this view to be reflected accurately.
Andy

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*EDITED* Please stay on topic and polite.
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Well, this poll has only gone six hours and it's almost an overwhelming 3 to 1 saying that you shouldn't be required to complete a field for your contribution to be accepted.

So, Skip, it seems you were right the other day after-all.


On to the next poll:


I'm going to reword this thing so that cast and crew are excluded and see if the results are the same.
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Well, this poll has only gone six hours and it's almost an overwhelming 3 to 1 saying that you shouldn't be required to complete a field for your contribution to be accepted.

So, Skip, it seems you were right the other day after-all.


On to the next poll:


I'm going to reword this thing so that cast and crew are excluded and see if the results are the same.


I think it might be a different result if cast and crew were excluded.  Those are huge animals that a lot of people don't want to tackle.  But something like an overview, or a title change.  I think those should be complete if you are going to submit them.
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I think the poll above is misleading - the most popular option at the moment does on the surface sound the most sensible one.
But the reason this poll got started in the first place was because there was a submission which corrected some but not all errors in an overview.
Are we saying that just because someone didn't actually create the initial error that we must vote yes, even though we know incorrect data is being submitted?
In my opinion, if a contributor submits a field, then they are responsible for making sure that all data is correct, whether it's theirs or not.
As another user summed it up very well - are we seriously saying that if someone corrected "Alfrod Hotchcick" to "Alfrod Hitchcock" then we are to vote yes? That seems ridiculous to me!
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I think the poll above is misleading - the most popular option at the moment does on the surface sound the most sensible one.
But the reason this poll got started in the first place was because there was a submission which corrected some but not all errors in an overview.
Are we saying that just because someone didn't actually create the initial error that we must vote yes, even though we know incorrect data is being submitted?
In my opinion, if a contributor submits a field, then they are responsible for making sure that all data is correct, whether it's theirs or not.
As another user summed it up very well - are we seriously saying that if someone corrected "Alfrod Hotchcick" to "Alfrod Hitchcock" then we are to vote yes? That seems ridiculous to me!


This is the best example I have seen so far.  As I told Skip, this is the path we are headed down and I don't think it is a place we want to go.  I am glad somebody else sees what I see.  While it doesn't prove I am not crazy, at least it proves I am not alone.
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Well, this poll has only gone six hours and it's almost an overwhelming 3 to 1 saying that you shouldn't be required to complete a field for your contribution to be accepted.

So, Skip, it seems you were right the other day after-all.


On to the next poll:


I'm going to reword this thing so that cast and crew are excluded and see if the results are the same.


I think it might be a different result if cast and crew were excluded.  Those are huge animals that a lot of people don't want to tackle.  But something like an overview, or a title change.  I think those should be complete if you are going to submit them.


I disagree, Uncus with respect. You have watched my work for years now. I primarily deal with Overviews relative to Italics, bold and trademark symbols. We have other users who are very good prof readers. So now you are trying to tell me that I have to proof read , too.?  I don't think so.

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I think the poll above is misleading - the most popular option at the moment does on the surface sound the most sensible one.
But the reason this poll got started in the first place was because there was a submission which corrected some but not all errors in an overview.
Are we saying that just because someone didn't actually create the initial error that we must vote yes, even though we know incorrect data is being submitted?
In my opinion, if a contributor submits a field, then they are responsible for making sure that all data is correct, whether it's theirs or not.
As another user summed it up very well - are we seriously saying that if someone corrected "Alfrod Hotchcick" to "Alfrod Hitchcock" then we are to vote yes? That seems ridiculous to me!


This is the best example I have seen so far.  As I told Skip, this is the path we are headed down and I don't think it is a place we want to go.  I am glad somebody else sees what I see.  While it doesn't prove I am not crazy, at least it proves I am not alone.


On that I agree with you Uncius. The one thing that this poll seems to prove is that if bring it here and cry about it, then users will FLOCK to vote No,even though in reality they have a quite different opinion. However some of the same users that will hurriedly rush to vote NO, will not then follow up with a YES when the title is corrected, the HYPOCRISY comes to mind.
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As another user summed it up very well - are we seriously saying that if someone corrected "Alfrod Hotchcick" to "Alfrod Hitchcock" then we are to vote yes? That seems ridiculous to me!

Why should we vote no? The result after the update is definitely better than before.
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As another user summed it up very well - are we seriously saying that if someone corrected "Alfrod Hotchcick" to "Alfrod Hitchcock" then we are to vote yes? That seems ridiculous to me!

Why should we vote no? The result after the update is definitely better than before.


Because it is still wrong...based on the rules.  I don't care whether or not you correct the entire cast list.  BUT, if you make a change to a single actor, you should make sure that actor is completely correct.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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