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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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North:

Show me anything in the Rules about SRP that supports that position, and i will be happy to vote yes. But there is nothing to support your interpretation, it very simply says Do NOT do it, there are NO provisions or exceptions provided.

Skip
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Billy Video
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Quoting northbloke:
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Just report back which way the decision went, and we can use it as precendence on subsequent submissions.

Will do of course 

Vote is current 4-1 in favour! 
Andy

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Quoting skipnet50:
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North:

Show me anything in the Rules about SRP that supports that position, and i will be happy to vote yes. But there is nothing to support your interpretation, it very simply says Do NOT do it, there are NO provisions or exceptions provided.

Skip

Says who? Who is the arbirar of the rules who makes that decision? Ken and Gerri is who, and they have not spoken on the matter.

There is clearly a difference of opinion here, let the community decide. 
Andy

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If anyone cares...

For many of the major movie studios you can email them and they will be happy to provide you with web access to copies  of original press releases many of which often have their SRP. Email addresses are available on the main company sites. I will not publish these in forums for two reasons 1) I do not want to promote flooding of email boxes of the movie studios and 2) They ask you to agree to a terms of service agreement asking you not to alter the data in any way. I request them all of the time and get them back about 90% of the time.  These are after all full of information that the studios want to be public knowledge to promote the releases. Warner, HBO, Sony, Disney and BCI/Freemantle Media are the best to work  with. FOX and Paramount not so much. For some reason Paramount password protects their press releases. I  keep any of the  information I get from the releases local because I do not like messing with pre-release contributions. The data is never official until the release actually happens but it is out there if you want it. It also proves one sheets ARE NOT DVD covers.
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The rules only state:
"Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP."
This can easily mean "do not submit a profile that only changes the SRP" or it can mean "do not submit a profile that includes a change to the SRP", the sentence is unclear.
The word in doubt is "with" - in this context it can mean either "that include" or "that have".
I don't know which interpretation is right, when I said I agreed with James and Andy I meant that I had always read it the way they read it. I didn't mean that I thought your vote was wrong.
You could well be right, I have no reservations about saying that. The point I was trying to make is that James and Andy could be right - it's hard to tell with the rule written the way it is.
What I am saying is that we should let the submission run to test the rule, and then we'll know for certain which interpretation is right.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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As far as i am concerned thoise supporting you are voting in violation of the rules as well, Lopek

Your objective has now becoime clear...destruction of the rules... what do I base that on

"Just report back which way the decision went, and we can use it as precendence on subsequent submissions."

And your response.

Will do of course 

So as far as you are concerned the rules be damned, if you want it and you can rationalizer your action(notice I said rationalize not justify) then its OK and there goes the Rules.

<sigh> Why am I not surprised, in your case i can't even say i am disappointed. I have recognized this for a long time.

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Billy Video
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I don't have this title to see the complete contribution... but... When I look at the Rule...
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Use the SRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) at the time of the DVD’s original release using the currency type matching the locality of the DVD. Do not change the SRP in DVD Profiler to reflect reductions in SRP that distributors make in continually over time following release. Ensure the currency type matches the locality of the DVD. Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP.


I only see one way to read the final sentence in that rule... and that is to not make contributions with a change of a few cents/pence to the SRP.  It does not say contributions of only a change to SRP (like the rule for Genres)... it is just a single statement of not to do it. So I indeed would have to agree with skip that it is against the rules as it is written.

My personal opinion... it is one of the rules I always disagreed with... as I would have preferred it to be not to make SRP changes only.

If that is what was intended... it wasn't correctly implemented... and needs to be changed. But we can't go by what we think was intended... I don't know about any of you... but I for one am not a mind reader... I have no way of knowing what was intended... or what Ken intended when he approved the rule.

That's my 2cents worth at least. 
Pete
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Byates,
that's interesting  -I've always thought it odd that film companies don't make their press releases more available to the public.
I used to work in a video shop and always enjoyed reading the trade mags that came in with the pre-releases. It was especially interesting to see the difference between the trade price and the RRP!
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At the risk of getting kicked out of the back room where we and conspire against Skip , I have to admit that I don't see the wiggle room either...and I tried, I really tried.

I am so ashamed. 

On the other hand, the only out I could think of is that the rule says to use the SRP at time of release.  Since this DVD has yet to be released, it might allow for an SRP change regardless of the amount...but that is pushing it, even for me. 
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Your objective has now becoime clear...destruction of the rules...

You do realize that Andy wrote the sentence in the rules that's in dispute. Where do you think the "pence" came from. 
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You're siding with Skip?
You're barred!! 

Seriously I'm wondering if it's a UK/US english thing - they way we've been taught to interpret the language differently - as I've noticed that Andy and I are from the UK and both interpret the sentence one way, and Skip, Pete and Unicus interpret it another.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I realize that Andy WROTE and from whom did the idea come from for Andy to write it.


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Billy Video
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I have to agree with Skip on this one.

The rule clearly states:

SRP
Use the SRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) at the time of the DVD’s original release using the currency type matching the locality of the DVD. Do not change the SRP in DVD Profiler to reflect reductions in SRP that distributors make in continually over time following release. Ensure the currency type matches the locality of the DVD. Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP.

Unlike the Rule for Disc IDs which states:

If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler.

The SRP rule does not contain the caveat "if you are doing a wider contribution".

If I owned the title in question, it would get a yes vote with a polite "please withdraw the SRP change as it's contrary to contribution rules". 
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Quoting northbloke:
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You're siding with Skip?
You're barred!! 

Seriously I'm wondering if it's a UK/US english thing - they way we've been taught to interpret the language differently - as I've noticed that Andy and I are from the UK and both interpret the sentence one way, and Skip, Pete and Unicus interpret it another.


It is possible except for the fact that James also reads it the way you do.  Perhaps he is a British Spy...his first name is James
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I did notice that, and was going to comment that maybe he had been properly educated, but I'm far too nice to do that! 
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Quoting Unicus69:
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At the risk of getting kicked out of the back room where we and conspire against Skip , I have to admit that I don't see the wiggle room either...and I tried, I really tried.

I am so ashamed. 

On the other hand, the only out I could think of is that the rule says to use the SRP at time of release.  Since this DVD has yet to be released, it might allow for an SRP change regardless of the amount...but that is pushing it, even for me. 


I totally agree with this.

Thank's Unicus, well said.
Brian
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