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That is what the No votes are for, this is not a democracy, it only takes ONE No Vote to spot a legitimate that the user should either fix or the Contribution should be declined.


Yes indeed, and that is why every No vote needs a reason. Just one good reason is enough for it to be declined, regardless of how many Yes votes there are. Similarly, No votes without sufficiently valid reasons can be overruled.

I changed my vote too now. I should have done a web search before voting, but I thought the contributor had already done so (I didn't realise he only checked the database itself).
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If there's an official site, such as in this case, IMHO there isn't even room for debate. With such a "strong" source, I don't even agree with Ken's statement that the "common name" should be what the person is most credited as - if the official site says it's Gian Maria Volontè, then that's what I'd use, even if I'd have ten credits as Gian Maria Volonte without any accent at all.


I agree.

Me too. Real Names should have priority over Common Names.
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Berak:

That is what the No votes are for, this is not a democracy, it only takes ONE No Vote to spot a legitimate that the user should either fix or the Contribution should be declined. If Gerri looks at the Notes and the website she should be able to easily determine that the Contribution should be declined in its present form; regardless of how many Yes votes there are.

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Good point  

Several of the previous YES-voters (including myself) has now changed their vote, so I'll be amazed if this one slips through...
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You guys should be careful using real names for common names.  The whole reason for a common name is to link multiple profiles to the same actor who might have different spelling in their various film credits.  So really the common name should be their most commonly credited as name in the Ivelos Data Base, which may not be their real name or how the actor personally spells their name.

Here's an example a user submitted to a profile the actress Donna De Lory as a common name because that is how she spells it on her website.  However in all her film credits she spells it as Donna DeLory.  By making Donna De Lory as the common name effectively broke this profile's linking to all her other film credits.

In my opion common names should not be birth names or personal spelling names, they should only be the most commonly credited as name.
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You guys should be careful using real names for common names.  The whole reason for a common name is to link multiple profiles to the same actor who might have different spelling in their various film credits.  So really the common name should be their most commonly credited as name in the Ivelos Data Base, which may not be their real name or how the actor personally spells their name.

Here's an example a user submitted to a profile the actress Donna De Lory as a common name because that is how she spells it on her website.  However in all her film credits she spells it as Donna DeLory.  By making Donna De Lory as the common name effectively broke this profile's linking to all her other film credits.

In my opion common names should not be birth names or personal spelling names, they should only be the most commonly credited as name.


In that case Common Name = Donna De Lory credited as [Donna DeLory]...problem solved
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For what reason would you want to use Donna De Lory as her common name.  It's a field you don't see except when your editing a profile or submitting a profile.  If you use that is a common name then your will need to edit every single one of her profiles and make that as her common name.

I don't think Ken ever intended real names to be used as common names.  It was only there so we could link the same actor to their various profiles.

With this logic of using real names your going to expect everyone to know what the actor's real name is.
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For what reason would you want to use Donna De Lory as her common name.  It's a field you don't see except when your editing a profile or submitting a profile.  If you use that is a common name then your will need to edit every single one of her profiles and make that as her common name.

I don't think Ken ever intended real names to be used as common names.  It was only there so we could link the same actor to their various profiles.

With this logic of using real names your going to expect everyone to know what the actor's real name is.


I agree with Tracer on this one - this is why the "common name" issue needs to be put on hold until Ken solves it.

Another example;
Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong (affectionately known as Cheech & Chong) is born respectively "Richard Anthony Marin" and "Thomas B. Kin Chong". You guys can't seriously suggest we credit them as this and use the "as credited" field accordingly?!? 
The same goes for Sammo Hung (born: Hong Jin Bao) and in some databases (of which I shall not name) is called Sammo Hung Kam-bo....

Leave the "as credited" field alone and enter as credited on screen until further notice is my honest opinion. 
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If there's an official site, such as in this case, IMHO there isn't even room for debate. With such a "strong" source, I don't even agree with Ken's statement that the "common name" should be what the person is most credited as - if the official site says it's Gian Maria Volontè, then that's what I'd use, even if I'd have ten credits as Gian Maria Volonte without any accent at all.


I agree.

Me too. Real Names should have priority over Common Names.


Martin:

This is exactly wjhy we need standards and criteria BEFORE doin much with common names. Who gets to determine the PRIORITY name. You say its James, I say its Jim and somebody else say its Jimmy....who is right.

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I was the one who submitted the 'Donna DeLory' in a profile. This name is even more complex, since this how she mostly is credited on the DVD's with Madonna. 'Madonna: Ciao Italia: Live from Italy' is the exception to this rule. So in this profile I now have Common Name = Donna DeLory credited as [Donna De Lory] 

So it is difficult the get the right common name.

I agree with Berak on the 'Cheech & Chong' example and I guess we can come up with even more 'obscure' names of famous actors...

I also agree with Tracer saying: use the name most used in credits (that's why I've changed the 'Dona DeLory'). It is indeed to get a single reference to the same actor and the 'credited as' is how it is displayed in the profile.
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For what reason would you want to use Donna De Lory as her common name.  It's a field you don't see except when your editing a profile or submitting a profile.  If you use that is a common name then your will need to edit every single one of her profiles and make that as her common name.

I don't think Ken ever intended real names to be used as common names.  It was only there so we could link the same actor to their various profiles.

With this logic of using real names your going to expect everyone to know what the actor's real name is.


I agree with Tracer on this one - this is why the "common name" issue needs to be put on hold until Ken solves it.

Another example;
Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong (affectionately known as Cheech & Chong) is born respectively "Richard Anthony Marin" and "Thomas B. Kin Chong". You guys can't seriously suggest we credit them as this and use the "as credited" field accordingly?!? 
The same goes for Sammo Hung (born: Hong Jin Bao) and in some databases (of which I shall not name) is called Sammo Hung Kam-bo....

Leave the "as credited" field alone and enter as credited on screen until further notice is my honest opinion. 


You will notice that the title of this thread is "Common name spelling". I did not advocate using real names when their common names are different in the way you describe.
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You guys should be careful using real names for common names.  The whole reason for a common name is to link multiple profiles to the same actor who might have different spelling in their various film credits.  So really the common name should be their most commonly credited as name in the Ivelos Data Base, which may not be their real name or how the actor personally spells their name.

Here's an example a user submitted to a profile the actress Donna De Lory as a common name because that is how she spells it on her website.  However in all her film credits she spells it as Donna DeLory.  By making Donna De Lory as the common name effectively broke this profile's linking to all her other film credits.

In my opion common names should not be birth names or personal spelling names, they should only be the most commonly credited as name.



This is just another example of how this feature is broke, and why we shouldn't be using it until Ken figures out how to make it idiot proof.
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I vote for that!
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I did not advocate using real names when their common names are different in the way you describe.

Me neither. It's just a matter of accents, capitals or spaces.
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For what reason would you want to use Donna De Lory as her common name.  It's a field you don't see except when your editing a profile or submitting a profile.  If you use that is a common name then your will need to edit every single one of her profiles and make that as her common name.

I don't think Ken ever intended real names to be used as common names.  It was only there so we could link the same actor to their various profiles.

With this logic of using real names your going to expect everyone to know what the actor's real name is.


I agree with Tracer on this one - this is why the "common name" issue needs to be put on hold until Ken solves it.

Another example;
Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong (affectionately known as Cheech & Chong) is born respectively "Richard Anthony Marin" and "Thomas B. Kin Chong". You guys can't seriously suggest we credit them as this and use the "as credited" field accordingly?!? 
The same goes for Sammo Hung (born: Hong Jin Bao) and in some databases (of which I shall not name) is called Sammo Hung Kam-bo....

Leave the "as credited" field alone and enter as credited on screen until further notice is my honest opinion. 


You will notice that the title of this thread is "Common name spelling". I did not advocate using real names when their common names are different in the way you describe.



Point taken.... 
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So, do we all agree that the common name then should be Gian Maria Volontè? If so then I will resubmit my contributions and I hope some of you 'no' voters help me out and make some of these changes as well. It's easy to hit that 'no' button and God how some of you love to use it.


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In a recent contribution someone changed Gian Maria Volontè to Gian Maria Volonté because "Most of the entries I have seen for him in the database are done this way".

I always become suspicious when someone makes a change only to make an entry conform to something else, so I did some research and found the official Gian Maria Volontè web page (www.gianmariavolonte.it) which shows that his name should be spelled Volontè.



Who said the real name must be common name? If you look at the database the most common name is Gian Maria Volonté. I want something that cross-links and this was the easiest way to do it. Your way isn't getting us anything cross-linked at the moment. What we need is a solution and I wasn't trying to sabotage anything.
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Bodi, could you let me know your source for naming Johnny Wels as Gian Maria Volontè - I have a profile for Fistful that hasn't been changed, and I'd like to update it to match the others.
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