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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Another thing to toss out into the ether about being a native English speaker or not - I see many posters here where English is their second (or so) language write in English a LOT better than those in which English is their native language (in general, not here on invelos) - namely those in their teenage years. Hell, this paragraph alone makes my head spin a little. I can't agree more with you. As a non-native English speaker it is a great mystery to me why is it so difficult to make a distiction between words like: then - than their - there - they're to - too Even if they sound similar, a native speaker should know the meaning of each word and see the difference when they write down these words. I can never even imagine to make a mistake with those words. But some native English speakers make those errors all the time (also here in Invelos forums). Unfortunately some non-natives also make these errors more and more. Maybe the reason for that is that they read too much badly written English in Internet forums and then start to make same errors. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,264 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jykke: Quote:
their - there - they're
This one I do all the time when I'm typing, it's more or less down to typing to keep up with my thoughts. Of course I hope I pick them up when I read whatever I'm writing before I post/send/save. It has very little to do with not knowing which is the correct spelling for the context. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,264 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Here a list of users where you find Alaises that you never encountered before.
. Pretty much any forum you go to you'll find a list of names showing as reading them that are far larger than the active posters. It's nothing unusual whatsoever. I frequent a couple of forums where I have a post count of less than 20 in five years of membership. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Here a list of users where you find Alaises that you never encountered before. I don't know how you compiled the list. There are several aliases which have been seen posting in these forums several times, perhaps not daily but for once in a while. Including me. Or did I understand your post wrong? |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you view the bottom of the forum page (but not threads like this one you're reading now), you can see a list of users who are currently viewing the forums (from the Forum link at the top of the page) or a particular topic if you're on that topic too. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
I personally don't see anything wrong with a foreign language section of the site though I don't think we need a separate section for each language. Actually, Giga touched on the only reason I can think of. This forum has rules. They are designed, not only to protect the users, but to protect Ken and Gerri. They can't ensure those rules are followed if they can't understand the language. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | After perusing the Foreign Language section dedicated to the translation files, I see a few users that have posted only a handful of times, most likely because they do not understand English and thus are unable to participate in the majority of the discussions.
If this foreign language section is created, it would be a good rule of thumb to start the subject with the language being used inside.
For example: Deutsch - Sie dumm fuhrt |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Actually, Giga touched on the only reason I can think of. This forum has rules. They are designed, not only to protect the users, but to protect Ken and Gerri. They can't ensure those rules are followed if they can't understand the language. Hopefully, users who want to protect their investment in DVD Profiler would report any abuse going on along with a translation.  Also, we already have a foreign language section dedicated to translation files so any risk Ken/Gerri may face already exists. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Hopefully, users who want to protect their investment in DVD Profiler would report any abuse going on along with a translation. Also, we already have a foreign language section dedicated to translation files so any risk Ken/Gerri may face already exists. True enough. As I said, it was the only reason I could think of.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
This not alone a French Speaking problem:
Here a list of users where you find Alaises that you never encountered before.
sugarjoe, ... I have never seen you before... |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,704 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Sie dumm fuhrt If you meant to translate "rule of dumb", you failed - rather excelent There is no correct german translation for this phrase, I'd know of... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,704 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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I personally don't see anything wrong with a foreign language section of the site though I don't think we need a separate section for each language.
Actually, Giga touched on the only reason I can think of. This forum has rules. They are designed, not only to protect the users, but to protect Ken and Gerri. They can't ensure those rules are followed if they can't understand the language. This is one aspect to be aware of. - But after watching this thread, I have to say, it was useless to start it. Resolution for me: Most native speakers have no interest at all, OK; The foreigners, speaking English, don't care; And the foreigners not speaking english can't vote. Last not least the thread approached insulting more and more. - Dividing people was not the intent of it... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Hello!
Out there, there are some specialized forums for non english speakers.
I'm wondering, if it would help the community, if there were foreign language sections here at invelos? - One for each language, which has enough members to support an own board...
Regards, AA Why not? I don't think the national sections would be crammed with people, but they wouldn't harm either. Those who prefer the usual English section will still have the possibility to do so, but those who do not use Invelos forums because of the language, will be more likely to come to this place. It has to be said, though, that a German forum and a Francophone forum already exist on other sites. Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Resolution for me: Most native speakers have no interest at all, OK; The foreigners, speaking English, don't care; And the foreigners not speaking english can't vote.
Exactly. Those who would benefit the most, have no say in this discussion, because they are the less likely to write in the Invelos forums (the probability of some of them actually lurking is not zero, though). | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jykke: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Another thing to toss out into the ether about being a native English speaker or not - I see many posters here where English is their second (or so) language write in English a LOT better than those in which English is their native language (in general, not here on invelos) - namely those in their teenage years. Hell, this paragraph alone makes my head spin a little.
I can't agree more with you. As a non-native English speaker it is a great mystery to me why is it so difficult to make a distiction between words like:
then - than
their - there - they're
to - too
Even if they sound similar, a native speaker should know the meaning of each word and see the difference when they write down these words. I can never even imagine to make a mistake with those words. But some native English speakers make those errors all the time (also here in Invelos forums). Unfortunately some non-natives also make these errors more and more. Maybe the reason for that is that they read too much badly written English in Internet forums and then start to make same errors. Even as a non-native speaker, I manage to mix up your and you're sometimes, and things like that.  The reason is not what I read, but fast typing and those absent-minded "fat fingers" of mine!   | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Enry, see Unicus comment above, that is the answer. The boards which are outside of Invelos are also keep Ken and gerri blameless for the actons of the users. Here or ubder the Invelos umbrella, they would be liable for the behavior of people in languages which they are not familiar with. It is the nly rational way for it to work.
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Enry, see Unicus comment above, that is the answer. The boards which are outside of Invelos are also keep Ken and gerri blameless for the actons of the users. Here or ubder the Invelos umbrella, they would be liable for the behavior of people in languages which they are not familiar with. It is the nly rational way for it to work.
Skip Users already do write threads in their own language and I don't recall any objections by Ken and Gerri (or by anyone else), correct me if I am wrong. The difference would be that those posts in other languages will have a sub-forum of their own, and that could attract more foreign users who now do not use the forums or just lurk. Perhaps that would be a concern, but it is Ken and Gerri's prerogative (not ours) to say if that would be OK for them or not. Or, they could designate a moderator they trust just for the foreign sub-forum. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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