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Walt Disney studios question
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Understandable, but in this case I think both of them serve a different function.

Would you have let Disney out if it was released by Buena Vista Pictures Distribution? Different name, but the same company. Or what about Marvel Studios. Just like Disney part of The Walt Disney Company.
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I say we use the rules as they are updated on 16-04-2016 after for instance Disney has changed it's name:

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Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)

Media Companies
The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.

Enter in the following order:

Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.
Licensor (Home Video Rights) - Usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box or in the credit block with words words regarding "under license from...".
Distributor - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block with words regarding distribution.
Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once, using the name from the logo. List secondary publishers even if the name is similar. If you are unsure of the function performed, do not list the company.

Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.
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Ofcourse we can make our own rules but when they stated as they are i feel we need to comply or else it becomes chaos. Like everywhere else in this world!

BTW i am the one who changed Disney into Walt Disney Pictures because of the mentioning in the rules and other contributors who pointed this out.

Many have been approved and others still wait for approvement!
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Understandable, but in this case I think both of them serve a different function.

Yes they do, and that is covered in The Rules:

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Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once

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I think we should use the most 'complete' name for a studio.
So if a studio is listed twice, use the version that is the most 'complete', aka longest or non-abbreviated.
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I say we use the rules as they are updated on 16-04-2016 after for instance Disney has changed it's name:

Part of the rules were updated. The abbreviation part goes back to 2007, years before Disney decided to brand Walt Disney Pictures to Disney in 2011. So Disney isn't an abbreviation anymore for the recent releases, so in my opinion this part of the rules is outdated for the recent releases.
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Ofcourse we can make our own rules but when they stated as they are i feel we need to comply or else it becomes chaos. Like everywhere else in this world!

If there's proof a rule is outdated I think it's no problem certainly knowing more rules are waiting for a decent update for years now.
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BTW i am the one who changed Disney into Walt Disney Pictures because of the mentioning in the rules and other contributors who pointed this out.

Many have been approved and others still wait for approvement!

The kind of updates you did, are approved without even looking at them. Especially when there are yes votes and we all know you always get yes votes on all your updates...

The dozens which were waiting for approval were declined. So it looks like the screeners don't to know what to to with it, or they agree Disney is no longer an abbreviation for Walt Disney Pictures anymore for the recent releases.

So that's what I wanted to know, but though that seems to be answered there are a lot of new questions to be answered.
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Yes they do, and that is covered in The Rules:

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Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once

In case of Disney it's not that easy I think.

Before 2007 Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures was named Buena Vista Pictures Distribution, Inc. Would you have deleted Disney (or any other name with Disney in it) if the movie was still released under the Buena Vista name?

And what about Marvel or Pixar, just like Disney part of The Walt Disney Studios. Should we delete those as well. From my point of view we shouldn't.
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My understanding is "Disney Presents" may now represent the "Disney" branded subsidiary company (Disney Live Action) belonging to the Walt Disney Studios: https://www.waltdisneystudios.com/our-businesses/

I could not find any reference to "Walt Disney Pictures" as a company in the new business structure (after the acquisition of Fox studios by the company).

In addition, the Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures company handles theatrical distribution, marketing and promotion for films produced by the Walt Disney Studios (which includes subsidiary companies Disney, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar Animation Studios, Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, 20th Century Fox, Fox 2000 Pictures, Fox Searchlight Pictures, Blue Sky Studios).

The roles of the distributor and subsidiary production studios in this company do not overlap, so list them if they are credited, as per DVDP rules, that is:

Theatrical Release Studio = Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
Production Company = (any of the subsidiary production companies listed under Walt Disney Studios)
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I totally agree.
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Yes they do, and that is covered in The Rules:

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Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once

In case of Disney it's not that easy I think.

Before 2007 Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures was named Buena Vista Pictures Distribution, Inc. Would you have deleted Disney (or any other name with Disney in it) if the movie was still released under the Buena Vista name?

Perhaps not, but then again "Buena Vista" and "Walt Disney" are not "similar but different" names, they are entirely different names.

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As I read the rule, if it is the same company using different names for different functions, then list them only once.

So, I think a key question is:

Are they the same company, or are they different companies under one umbrella?
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I just got a light bulb over my head here.
For one title which I have already mentioned, Maleficent, the attempt to change "Disney" to something else must be considered wrong, since A. "Disney" is credited as a logo only in the beginning and B. there is no "consensus" that Disney is commonly called "Walt Disney Pictures" and C. most importantly, "Disney" is in fact credited in text as "Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures". So IF "Disney" would be considered an abbreviation, it is still wrong to randomly changing it to something else than what is seen during the credits.
Or why do we think we can dictate what a studio's name is?!
"Because of Invelos' rules"? That's ridiculous, if so.
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I say we use the rules as they are updated on 16-04-2016 after for instance Disney has changed it's name:

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Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)

Media Companies
The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.

Enter in the following order:

Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.
Licensor (Home Video Rights) - Usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box or in the credit block with words words regarding "under license from...".
Distributor - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block with words regarding distribution.
Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once, using the name from the logo. List secondary publishers even if the name is similar. If you are unsure of the function performed, do not list the company.

Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.
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Ofcourse we can make our own rules but when they stated as they are i feel we need to comply or else it becomes chaos. Like everywhere else in this world!

BTW i am the one who changed Disney into Walt Disney Pictures because of the mentioning in the rules and other contributors who pointed this out.

Many have been approved and others still wait for approvement!

You're making a mess and others will have to clean up after this ignorance. Ignorance because of not bothering to check, adjust and correct that "Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures" is the only production studio that should be credited, IF the change would be valid and warranted to begin with. You seem only honed in on "the fact" that some old rule says "we can't abbreviate".
As I see it, that rule seems to be generally deemed incorrect, at least for several cases, including this one. I think the main thing is that there's confusion to what an abbreviation really is and also how studios should be credited. So we get yes-votes from people who don't know what's right.
Yet still, it's so unfortunate that the quoted rule uses "Disney" as an example. To the point of being dumb. I honestly wonder if Ken knew what he was doing writing that. It's the culprit, regardless. If he was sane when he wrote it, he ACTUALLY meant "don't be lazy and abbreviate. Write the full studio name as credited". But here we are, interpreting the rules like... you know.
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You're making a mess and others will have to clean up after this ignorance..


Of course you can insult me but i just wanted to follow the rules as stated and as some contributors pointed out to me when i added just "Disney". It's always so easy to point to another when you believe your right yourself and ignore the given rules completely. I didn't point out anyone but was just following the specific Contribution Rules which i hadn't seen earlier untill someone made me notice them.
I personally think it's wrong to ignore those rules however they came to be but it's also wrong to make me the bad guy by just following them! Even more crazy that the screeners from Invelos don't know their own rules and approve and decline them just by being blind.

That's it for me now back to enjoy the good things DVD Profiler offers me  Goodnight
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You're making a mess and others will have to clean up after this ignorance..


Of course you can insult me but i just wanted to follow the rules as stated and as some contributors pointed out to me when i added just "Disney". It's always so easy to point to another when you believe your right yourself and ignore the given rules completely. I didn't point out anyone but was just following the specific Contribution Rules which i hadn't seen earlier untill someone made me notice them.
I personally think it's wrong to ignore those rules however they came to be but it's also wrong to make me the bad guy by just following them! Even more crazy that the screeners from Invelos don't know their own rules and approve and decline them just by being blind.

That's it for me now back to enjoy the good things DVD Profiler offers me  Goodnight

It's rather easy, though. You can't just read the rules, you need to understand them, see the reason behind them and be able to make nuances. At the very least, understand that since you do get criticism, you should take a moment to think if your contributions were really correct.
And the screeners don't always make the right decisions either. Which is both confusing and annoying. Plus, they are invisible.
But us here are not. "Disney" is not in the cases we've talked about here an abbreviation.
If you don't know what or how to contribute, then don't do it and if you do, you should learn from any mistakes. That's what we all have had to face. Myself included.
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Totally agree with MikaLove.
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I also agree with MikaLove.
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