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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I don't either although the level of information that can be profiled with the alternate profiles for multiple films is appealing.  My original argument to allow for both was that not everyone profiles the same way (i.e. don't clear out the main profile according to box set rules).  However, some wouldn't have that because it wasn't how THEY wanted to profile THEIR database.  Disc level profiles have always been optional in the past.  The response was simple, "that's not how I want it" and "YOU can edit your own local database how YOU want it" but "WE don't want that to be in the database because that's not how I profile it".  See the problem here, no wonder why members have stopped contributing and have given up on DVD Profiler.

I'm sorry, but this simply is not true.

First, the reason some wouldn't have it, and I was one of the some, is because it would create an exception to the current, easy to understand and follow, rule.

Second, for movie box sets, disc level profiles have never been optional.  For TV Series set, yes, but never for movie box sets and this has not changed.

One of the biggest complaints people had with the Box Set rule is that it couldn't be followed when more than one film was on the same side of a single disc.  Now that Ken has solved that issue, they should all be treated exactly the same...meaning one profile per film.
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It wouldn't be too bad if we could at least copy and paste crew from multiple films into a single profile, but AFAIK you can't.


Can't you do that using Episode dividers, combined with copy cast/crew and then paste and append?
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It wouldn't be too bad if we could at least copy and paste crew from multiple films into a single profile, but AFAIK you can't.


This can be done, by using the "Paste Append" function.
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Oooohhhhhh. Thanks guys. I've wasted so much time.
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I'm sorry, but this simply is not true.

First, the reason some wouldn't have it, and I was one of the some, is because it would create an exception to the current, easy to understand and follow, rule.

Second, for movie box sets, disc level profiles have never been optional.  For TV Series set, yes, but never for movie box sets and this has not changed.

One of the biggest complaints people had with the Box Set rule is that it couldn't be followed when more than one film was on the same side of a single disc.  Now that Ken has solved that issue, they should all be treated exactly the same...meaning one profile per film.


I have to respectfully disagree.  I understand we have a difference of opinion but I believe there is a lot of ambiguity in the rules which is commonly seen in these forums and contributions.  I've been around as long as some and over time it appears a different opinion quickly gets shot down if it's different from another.  At times it seems like a different opinion is not welcomed.

What exception are we referring to here?  Rules do and have changed whether for better or for worse.  DVD Profiler is a very powerful database and I'd prefer to have the most flexibility for all users and not just the way I prefer to profile.

Yes, true box sets have been profiled separately although multiple films on a single disc in the past were not.

But here's a different example, Combo releases are profiled with the main media type (i.e. BD) in the parent profile.  However, a child profile can be created for the alternate media type (i.e. DVD) and attached to the parent profile.  These child profiles are optional.  In essence to do this the child profile is also being added as if the main profile is a box set.

Now, I don't use these child profiles for alternate media types of the same film but some do.  I've never argued that it shouldn't be done this way because that's not the way I profile my database.
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I have to respectfully disagree.  I understand we have a difference of opinion but I believe there is a lot of ambiguity in the rules which is commonly seen in these forums and contributions.  I've been around as long as some and over time it appears a different opinion quickly gets shot down if it's different from another.  At times it seems like a different opinion is not welcomed.

What exception are we referring to here?  Rules do and have changed whether for better or for worse.  DVD Profiler is a very powerful database and I'd prefer to have the most flexibility for all users and not just the way I prefer to profile.

Yes, true box sets have been profiled separately although multiple films on a single disc in the past were not.

This is the exception that I am talking about.  For more than a decade the rules have required all box sets to have an empty parent profile and mandatory child profiles.  Due to program limitations, this could not be done for sets with multiple films on the same side of a single disc.  Now that the program has caught up to the rule, and we can create individual profiles for these films, I see no reason to create an exception.  If you want to try and change the entire rule, that's one thing, but I am against treating one type of box set differently than every other type.
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But here's a different example, Combo releases are profiled with the main media type (i.e. BD) in the parent profile.  However, a child profile can be created for the alternate media type (i.e. DVD) and attached to the parent profile.  These child profiles are optional.  In essence to do this the child profile is also being added as if the main profile is a box set.

Now, I don't use these child profiles for alternate media types of the same film but some do.  I've never argued that it shouldn't be done this way because that's not the way I profile my database.

Nobody, at least nobody I can recall seeing, is arguing for empty parent profiles for movie box sets because "that's how they profile them."  People are arguing for them because that is how the rules say box sets are to be done.  While there is ambiguity in some of the rules, this one is quite clear..."Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets."
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Seems quite clear in the rules it is catered for

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Use for: Two or more releases of the same title with largely different cover images (e.g. Disc ID profiles shared among different box sets).


This could mean quite a few variants for those discs that are in multiple sets.  I thought so as well, but wanted to make sure before I started with them.
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Quoting rdodolak:
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I have to respectfully disagree.  I understand we have a difference of opinion but I believe there is a lot of ambiguity in the rules which is commonly seen in these forums and contributions.  I've been around as long as some and over time it appears a different opinion quickly gets shot down if it's different from another.  At times it seems like a different opinion is not welcomed.

What exception are we referring to here?  Rules do and have changed whether for better or for worse.  DVD Profiler is a very powerful database and I'd prefer to have the most flexibility for all users and not just the way I prefer to profile.

Yes, true box sets have been profiled separately although multiple films on a single disc in the past were not.

This is the exception that I am talking about.  For more than a decade the rules have required all box sets to have an empty parent profile and mandatory child profiles.  Due to program limitations, this could not be done for sets with multiple films on the same side of a single disc.  Now that the program has caught up to the rule, and we can create individual profiles for these films, I see no reason to create an exception.  If you want to try and change the entire rule, that's one thing, but I am against treating one type of box set differently than every other type.
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But here's a different example, Combo releases are profiled with the main media type (i.e. BD) in the parent profile.  However, a child profile can be created for the alternate media type (i.e. DVD) and attached to the parent profile.  These child profiles are optional.  In essence to do this the child profile is also being added as if the main profile is a box set.

Now, I don't use these child profiles for alternate media types of the same film but some do.  I've never argued that it shouldn't be done this way because that's not the way I profile my database.

Nobody, at least nobody I can recall seeing, is arguing for empty parent profiles for movie box sets because "that's how they profile them."  People are arguing for them because that is how the rules say box sets are to be done.  While there is ambiguity in some of the rules, this one is quite clear..."Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets."


For those that don't use children, it is a step backwards, and I can understand their frustration.  Youa re against treating it differently, but it is different and has been handled differently in the past.  It wasn't an issue before, so why is it now?

What are the pros & cons for each?

I really don't care either way on the matter as it's easy to keep my local clean.  But think it's worth having a discussion over at least.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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For those that don't use children, it is a step backwards, and I can understand their frustration.  Youa re against treating it differently, but it is different and has been handled differently in the past.  It wasn't an issue before, so why is it now?

I'm sorry, but it is not different.  Per the rules, "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."  Whether the films are on multiple discs or a single disc, they are still considered box sets per that rule.  While it is true that it was handled differently in the past, it was done so because the program couldn't handle them.  The program now can, so they should all follow the rule.
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What are the pros & cons for each?

I really don't care either way on the matter as it's easy to keep my local clean.  But think it's worth having a discussion over at least.

I don't care either, as long as we don't make an exception to the rule.  Either they all have blank parent profiles or they don't.  If those that don't use child profiles want to change the rule, they are free to go through the process.
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What's the consensus on collections of short films - say, 20 short films on a single disc?
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No change on how they are done. Do not make profiles for short films per Rules.
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And that's not a "consensus", it's in the (new) rules:

"Alternate versions are not used for contributing profiles for shorts or episode-level profiles for TV series."
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And that's not a "consensus"

No, it is not a consensus. For me, contribution of shorts was the only interest of variant feature...
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Personally I would have liked to have had that, too. But I don't own the program and its database.
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I too would have liked shorts.

But do keep in mind that Ken sounds willing to revisit this idea down the road.  I'd guess he might be willing to revisit this after 2-3 months.  Let's give him time to see how variants are going to go first before trying to expand the concept to include more.
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How does Alternate Version affect Disc count? Since we are adding additional "Alternate" Disc IDs to profile multiple films on a single side of a disc, does this now increase the number of discs counted even though in reality it is a single disc? Am I making sense?

I'm about to pull the trigger on the latest profile updates that include Alternate Versions of, i.e., The Best of Bud Abbott and Lou Costello UPC 025192492723. Will my disc count now increase with these new Disc IDs? Does the program also assign a Collection Number to these new IDs?

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