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Based on the film (how to credit writers)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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So I've seen this before so figured I would ask since I've come across it again. How would these writers be credited?

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Susanne Bier - Story by
Anders Thomas Jensen - Story by
Anders Thomas Jensen - Screenwriter
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Okay, thanks. Wasn't sure since it's under the heading for another film (this one btw is After the Wedding, with a written for the screen credit by the director).
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Do I understand this correctly?

Efter Brylluppet - Bier & Jensen credited for story & screenwriting

After the Wedding - a remake of Efter Brylluppet, with Bart Freundlich credited as screenwriter

If so, then Bier & Jensen should be credited as OMB, not story & screenwriter.
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Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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Do I understand this correctly?

Efter Brylluppet - Bier & Jensen credited for story & screenwriting

After the Wedding - a remake of Efter Brylluppet, with Bart Freundlich credited as screenwriter

If so, then Bier & Jensen should be credited as OMB, not story & screenwriter.

That would be my understanding.
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Okay, thanks. Wasn't sure since it's under the heading for another film (this one btw is After the Wedding, with a written for the screen credit by the director).

So you were just showing partial writing credits in your screenshot?

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In that screen shot it says Based on the film...
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These credits qualify for OMB only.
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My understanding is that the film, "After the Wedding", was a 2019 USA production and the writing credits displayed would have been subject to the Writers Guild of America (WGA) arbitration procedures.

The WGA Arbitration Committee determines whether prior writer(s) are entitled to receive writing credit.

In particular, the WGA Theatrical Credits Procedures Guide (page 19) states the following for remakes:

"In the case of remakes, any writer who has received writing credit under the Guild's jurisdiction in connection with a prior version of the motion picture is a participating writer on the remake. As such, those prior writers are entitled to participate in the credit determination process and are eligible to receive writing credit pursuant to the rules for determining writing credits. The final shooting script written by a prior writer(s) shall be considered literary material."

" In the case of a remake, credit may be accorded to the credited writer(s) of the prior motion picture as follows:
a.  The Arbitration Committee can elect to give the prior writer(s) no credit of any kind.
b.  The Arbitration Committee can elect to give the prior writer(s) a “based on” credit only.
c.  The Arbitration Committee can elect to give the prior writer(s) a writing credit only.  In that instance, the prior writer(s) cannot receive any more credit than they received on the original. 
d.  The Arbitration Committee can elect to give the prior writer(s) both a writing credit and a “based on” credit. 

Remakes shall be considered non-original screenplays under Section III.A.4.a.i. of this Manual."


If Bart Freundlich produced a non-original screenplay then he would need to have contributed more than 33% of the 2019 film's screenplay to be entitled (by arbitration) to "Screenplay by" credit.

Other examples of remakes using original film writers:
https://www.quora.com/When-a-movie-is-remade-are-the-screenwriters-of-the-original-movie-given-credit-on-the-new-one

So, to answer Movieman's question, the displayed writing credits are legitimate credits for "Story by" and "Screenplay by" and should be entered as such in DVD Profiler (in order of appearance).
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What the Writers Guild of America thinks is very nice, but here at DVD Profiler, these credits qualify for OMB only. Anders Thomas Jensen, for instance, wrote a screenplay, but not this screenplay. His original screenplay now serves as "original material" on which the screenplay for *this* film was based. Again, here at DVD Profiler, that qualifies for OMB.
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They received proper writing credits because their original screenplay formed a substantial basis for the new film, far greater than the contributions from the new screenwriter.

A writer cannot just add a sentence or character to the original work and claim screenwriting credits for the new film.  The new writer has to prove their contribution to the original screenplay was significant and it is up to the WGA Arbitration Committee to determine the appropriate writing credit.

So, it is possible to have the original screenplay credits in a new film, just look at the 1998 version of Psycho, you will see only the original writing credits from the 1962 version.

T!M says the original screenplay now serves as the "original material" for the new screenplay, but what if there is little change and the original screenplay is substantially the new screenplay?

This is why we have writing credits for original screenplays credited in film remakes.
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T!M says the original screenplay now serves as the "original material" for the new screenplay, but what if there is little change and the original screenplay is substantially the new screenplay

I'm goingto have to agree with T!M on this one. There is a new screenplay. How close it is to theoriginal screenplay is irrelevant.

If a screenplay is very close to a theatrical play, the play's author gets an OMB. The same if it was very close to a book it was based on (although book adaptions are seldom that close). Why should it be any different just because it is based on another screenplay?

"Based on" is "Based on", regardless of original medium, in my opinion.
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If there is a new screenplay credit for this film, then it is a new screenplay, no matter how close it is to the original.  If the remake of Psycho only has the original screenplay credits, perhaps they simply used the original screenplay unaltered, so therefore that is the same screenplay.  However, this film apparently lists Bart Freundlich with a written for the screen credit, which makes him the screenwriter for Profiler purposes, and the authors of the original get a OMB credit for Profiler purposes because the credit reads "based on".
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OK, I think I understand, the above credits should not be treated as separate credits (well, there was no "by" after the first credit and there were no inter-connecting words, such as "From" or "And", linking the credits), it should be instead, interpreted as a single contiguous credit.  Hence OMB. Is that right?
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Yes, that's exactly it.  For Profiler purposes they count this way because of the heading and the way that it is phrased "Based on the film Efter Brylluppet"
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