So who here is going to be paying $500 or £449, what ever your respective currency is. For a box that is one step away from 1984?

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The price of the Xbox One, which has Kinect always switched on, requires an internet connection once a day and the potential for heavy restrictions around used games.

Yup, I thought some of the things they were doing sounded cool, but too much BS.

Not to mention that you have to pay additional for used games.

PS4 looks much better IMO.

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The price of the Xbox One, which has Kinect always switched on, requires an internet connection once a day and the potential for heavy restrictions around used games.

Don't get me started on the sheer stupidity about restricting used games.  Yeah the used game market makes gaming company's lose a lot of revenue. But that's far out weighed by how many consoles are sold because of the used games market. I could go on and on about how Microsoft have pretty much something set up to fail like the Sega 32X. As many have done already.

When i heard that launch price i wanted Michael Caine to get up on stage and sing It's Over.

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I'm not a gamer (I only have a Wii, which is very rarely used), but the PS4 looks leaps & bounds better than the xBox One.  $100 cheaper, doesn't need to be connected to the internet every day, can play used games, is region-free.  Seems like MS has a nice hole to dig themselves out of.

I could be mixing them up, but hasn't the PS4 also been announced that only THEIR games would be able to be resold but anything not by them would be able to have all the locks and inability to be resold? That it'll be up to individual companies? So while it sounded good, it's not as great as it made it sound.

Glad I don't play much anymore.

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I could be mixing them up, but hasn't the PS4 also been announced that only THEIR games would be able to be resold but anything not by them would be able to have all the locks and inability to be resold? That it'll be up to individual companies? So while it sounded good, it's not as great as it made it sound.

Yes, you're mixing them up. Sony explicitly said that the PS4 will not have any kind of online authentication, limitation to selling games or any of the other insanely anti-customer things Microsoft put into the Xbox One. With both consoles using almost the same hardware and the PS4 being $100 cheaper, I don't think many will buy the Xbox.

As Paul said, publishers can still use online passes or something like that to limit the functionality of used games, but even EA announced that they won't use them in the future and they are removing the need for online passes for games that previously needed them.

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I could be mixing them up, but hasn't the PS4 also been announced that only THEIR games would be able to be resold but anything not by them would be able to have all the locks and inability to be resold? That it'll be up to individual companies? So while it sounded good, it's not as great as it made it sound.

Yes, you're mixing them up. Sony explicitly said that the PS4 will not have any kind of online authentication, limitation to selling games or any of the other insanely anti-customer things Microsoft put into the Xbox One. With both consoles using almost the same hardware and the PS4 being $100 cheaper, I don't think many will buy the Xbox.

As Paul said, publishers can still use online passes or something like that to limit the functionality of used games, but even EA announced that they won't use them in the future and they are removing the need for online passes for games that previously needed them.

I went back and checked. According to the article, they are leaving it up to individual companies whether or not to put restrictions on the games that can be played on the PS4. Here's the original link, though I read it from another site who quoted him.

Here's the important part: “Well, I mean, we create the platform, we’ve certainly stated that our first-party games are not going to be doing that, but we welcome publishers and their business models to our platform,” explained Tretton. “There’s gonna be free-to-play, there’s gonna be every potential business model on there, and again, that’s up to their relationship with the consumer, what do they think is going to put them in the best fit. We’re not going to dictate that, we’re gonna give them a platform to publish on… The DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it’s not something we’re going to control, or dictate, or mandate, or implement.”

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Yup, I thought some of the things they were doing sounded cool, but too much BS.

Not to mention that you have to pay additional for used games.

PS4 looks much better IMO.

Can you please show the article where it said used games were going to have an additional cost.  I ask because in the release announcement they said they were going to leave it up to the publishers.  The EXACT same thing Sony said they were going to do with the PS4