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Side-level profiles for TV series
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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Production year, video and audio are usually the same, but the cast, crew and runtime will be different.
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Production year, video and audio are usually the same, but the cast, crew and runtime will be different.

Even the production year can change if the side B episodes where aired in the new year. It usually happens on single-sided disc 3/6 and on double-sided disc 2/3.
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For TV most of these things will be identical so I don't understand the need (or desire) to break them down into separate profiles.

Well if you are going disc-level on TV-Series, instead of Season, you most likely want to have the information diversified as much as possible, which would mean to use this extra Disc-ID.

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Not necessarily... I'm a good example of that. While I love having disc level profiles... I feel that side level is to many added profiles for too little advantage.

I will say here what I said in the Rules Committee forum...

I wouldn't care if there is a profile I don't have to download for side B.... but don't mess with the complete disc info (all episodes on both sides of disc) on the disc level (Side A) profile.

As for people having to delete/change info and lock locally... such is the nature of the beast... especially when it comes to TV Series profiles. Most people already change and lock info on all TV Series profiles now. I don't know many people that keeps all info in the parent profile as well as disc level profiles. Such is life. Since most people are already deleting info from some level of the profiles... why should this be looked at as any different.

So for this to work for me to not fight it...

- All info for both sides of disc needs to be on the disc level (Side A) profile
- Title field must remain Show Title: Season X Disc X NOT changed to Show Title: Season X Disc X Side A

With the above followed I would have no problem with the side b profiles being available.
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- All info for both sides of disc needs to be on the disc level (Side A) profile

With the above followed I would have no problem with the side b profiles being available.


Do you mean that if data is only on Side B you would want that information included on Side A also?

If so, why? The information would be incorrect if that data is only on Side B.
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Because not everyone wants to have side b profiles in their collection.

It would be no different then having all the info for the entire set at the parent profile. But we do it for those that don't want disc level profiles. There is those of us that don't want to have to double the number of child profiles for such little added advantage.
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Because not everyone wants to have side b profiles in their collection.

It would be no different then having all the info for the entire set at the parent profile. But we do it for those that don't want disc level profiles. There is those of us that don't want to have to double the number of child profiles for such little added advantage.


The problem with your proposal - especially in comparison to the seaosn box - is the following:

If I don't want disc profiles, I just don't download them.

If I don't want cast/crew information on the season profile, I'll simply delete and lock it.

So far, so good.

But if a side A profile also contains side B information, I can't just delete and lock it because I'd lose the side A info, too. So, I'd have to remove only the episode content for side B in the profile. But then what? Do I lock the cast/crew info and never get an update for the side a episodes? Or do I not lock it but have to delete the side B information after every update all over again?
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Sorry... but for me personally it is the only way I could get behind side level profiles.
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But if a side A profile also contains side B information, I can't just delete and lock it because I'd lose the side A info, too. So, I'd have to remove only the episode content for side B in the profile. But then what? Do I lock the cast/crew info and never get an update for the side a episodes? Or do I not lock it but have to delete the side B information after every update all over again?

This!

Also, to be quite honest I don't really see the problem with sides:
The majority of TV-series (at least in my collection) is one-sided so I have to download 5-7 disc-level-profiles, now for the one series that has 3 double-sided-disc the world ends when there are 6 profiles instead of 3?

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I have way too many duel sided TV show releases... when it comes to all the releases I have, yes... I would have to download to many additional profiles.... for very little additional advantage... so no really not worth it in my eyes.
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I did some spot checking through my collection... Double sided disc sets I have...

21 Jump Street S5
Addams Family (all 3 vol.)
Alien Nation: Complete Series
American Gothic: Complete Series
Ark II: Complete Series
Bob Newhart Show: Season 1
Bones: Season 1
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century: Complete Series
Cleopatra 2525: Complete Series
The Dukes of Hazzard: Seasons 1,2,3,6
Earth 2: Complete
ER: Seasons 1,2
Fear Itself: Complete Series
Gilligan's Island: Seasons 1,2
Hardy Boys Nancy Drew Mysteries: Season 1
House, M.D.: Season 1
Hunter: Season 3
Knight Rider: Seasons 1,2,3,4
Kolchak: The Night Stalker: Complete Series
Kung Fu: Seasons 1,2,3
Sliders: Season 3
Space Academy: Complete Series
Superman: The Animated Series: Volumes 1,2,3
Time Tunnel: Volumes 1,2
V: Complete Series
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea: Volumes 1,2,3
West Wing: Season 2
Without a Trace: Season 1
Wonder Woman: Seasons 1-3

And I only spot checked... didn't even go through my entire TV on DVD collection! So there probably is even more.

So if we were to do 2 profiles per disc for the sets I would have to add easily well over 100 additional profiles to my collection... for what is in my honest opinion very little added value!

So like I said before... if you leave disc level profiles (both sides info) alone... and add Side B profiles for those that want them... cool... fine with that. But to do it so it is a side A profile and a side B profile. No... I have to remain against it.
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I have to agree with Pete on this. I recognize the various issues regards to movies, aspect ratio, audio desaturated. But side profiles also add non existent discs to the mix, creating a count problem. There are some possibilities I can think of but how difficult they may be to implement I don't know.
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Because not everyone wants to have side b profiles in their collection.


But what about the ones that do? Why shouldn't they be able to have those profiles if they want? I'm afraid I disagree with you on this issue Pete.

Since the database profiles DVDs, and that data is available on the disc, then it should be allowed into the database for those who want it.

The program should accommodate everyone so invelos should make it that both sides can have what they want.

Maybe there could be a prompt, like we get for Child Profiles, that asks "There is Side B data available, do you want to download that data?"
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But that is just it Kathy... I am not against anyone having a side B profile if they want it. All I am against is making it so that disc level is changed to side A only. That prevents those of us that don't want side B to have to have them.

Once again.... what I think it should be is....

Parent Profile = All info from all discs... this way the people that don't want child profiles still have the info without having to download children
Disc Level Profiles = All info from both sides of discs... that way those of us that don't want Side B profiles still has all the info they need without downloading the side B profiles.
Side B Profile = Only Side B info for those that want it

My way everyone can have the level of profiles that they want in the online database. But the way that they want it... Parent Profile, Side A Profile and Side B Profile forces those of us that don't want it to download Side B profiles.
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But that is just it Kathy... I am not against anyone having a side B profile if they want it. All I am against is making it so that disc level is changed to side A only. That prevents those of us that don't want side B to have to have them.

Once again.... what I think it should be is....

Parent Profile = All info from all discs... this way the people that don't want child profiles still have the info without having to download children
Disc Level Profiles = All info from both sides of discs... that way those of us that don't want Side B profiles still has all the info they need without downloading the side B profiles.
Side B Profile = Only Side B info for those that want it

My way everyone can have the level of profiles that they want in the online database. But the way that they want it... Parent Profile, Side A Profile and Side B Profile forces those of us that don't want it to download Side B profiles.

I see no need for Side B profiles at all but if they are foisted upon us then Addicted's method is the way to do it.
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I understand that you don't want things forced on you Pete. But, as it stands, those who wish side level profiles are being forced to do something that is not ideal for them.

There must be a way that both sides get what they want. If not, then one side is being forced to do something they do not want and that is not right.

I don't know how invelos or programing works and have no idea what or how to develop a solution. But, for those that do, I would think there are enough computer savvy people who could figure a way for both sides to have their way.

Personally I don't care one way or the other. I just would like to see a solution that makes both sides happy.
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