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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly...some people forget that the online is a starting point and you can actually change the title in your local. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Boy have you got that right, Bodi. I think many users want the Online to come down the pipe in a pre-packaged form suitable for their own particular needs. Sorry but virtually impossible folks.
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CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
Exactly...some people forget that the online is a starting point and you can actually change the title in your local. Ah, but how do you go about finding the X-Men 3 title? Only way someone will find it is if they do a substring search for "the last stand" or hit X and start scrolling. If they type "x men" or "x-men" as would seem the logical thing to do, they won't find it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | They could always type the UPC, Doc.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
They could always type the UPC, Doc. They may not have the DVD yet. They might want to compare various releases from all over the world. Too bad, some won't show up. But hey, there is always dvdcompare.net, imdb, or some other site - why use DVDProfiler, they might ask themself. But this ignorance is not even what angers me the most. What angers me the most, is people coming up with some dubious reading of the rules and then contributing data to the database they never would use themself - just to prove some point. The rules shouldn't be used as a starting point to create worst-case contributions. The starting point should be the common sense and knowledge of the contributor and his desire to improve the online database. And with the so created data he should consult the rules to see if they support his handling of the data, and either make adjustments to his data if necessary or just don't contribute the parts where the rules don't support his particular way. | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
They could always type the UPC, Doc. Won't help if they want to add it to their wish list, for example. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Boy have you got that right, Bodi. I think many users want the Online to come down the pipe in a pre-packaged form suitable for their own particular needs. Sorry but virtually impossible folks.
Skip For me it does exactly (well almost exactly) serve my particular needs. From my 600 profiles only about a handful of them are tweaked a little bit to serve my personal needs and are partially locked. If I had to change most of the profiles after download, I'd probably would not use DVD Profiler for cataloguing my DVDs. A local only Access implementation would serve my purposes better. Actually I still have to change most profiles in the first place in order to follow the rules. But this is a completely different story. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,595 |
| | Posted: | | | | All of this reminds me of the saying "Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should" . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,704 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
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They could always type the UPC, Doc.
They may not have the DVD yet. They might want to compare various releases from all over the world. Too bad, some won't show up. But hey, there is always dvdcompare.net, imdb, or some other site - why use DVDProfiler, they might ask themself.
But this ignorance is not even what angers me the most.
What angers me the most, is people coming up with some dubious reading of the rules and then contributing data to the database they never would use themself - just to prove some point.
The rules shouldn't be used as a starting point to create worst-case contributions. The starting point should be the common sense and knowledge of the contributor and his desire to improve the online database. And with the so created data he should consult the rules to see if they support his handling of the data, and either make adjustments to his data if necessary or just don't contribute the parts where the rules don't support his particular way. That's not the whole truth. - May I remind, that the german (!) release of "Seven" states an original Title of "Se7en"... This fact shows: a) The problem is evident ever since this rule was defined b) The problem cannot be solved by refering to the original title Every film has a title which is printable - how else would the advertisment work; why are we as childish to quarrel about the use of graphical and design elements instead of looking for the logical and refindable title? - I can't understand the whole discussion... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
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Exactly...some people forget that the online is a starting point and you can actually change the title in your local.
Ah, but how do you go about finding the X-Men 3 title? Only way someone will find it is if they do a substring search for "the last stand" or hit X and start scrolling. If they type "x men" or "x-men" as would seem the logical thing to do, they won't find it. If you type in what is on the case or use the UPC code you will have no problems finding the dvd. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
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I have to ask myself, why doesn't Ken or someone else from Invelops quickly step in in instances like this, make a decision, then modify the rules to account for the issue?
Just my opinion.
Ken approved the rules. Otherwise, they would not have been posted. Just because the rules were originally approved by Ken that doesn't mean that they can never be amended by him. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
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Exactly...some people forget that the online is a starting point and you can actually change the title in your local.
Ah, but how do you go about finding the X-Men 3 title? Only way someone will find it is if they do a substring search for "the last stand" or hit X and start scrolling. If they type "x men" or "x-men" as would seem the logical thing to do, they won't find it.
If you type in what is on the case or use the UPC code you will have no problems finding the dvd. And as others have already said - this doesn't help with adding items to your 'ordered' tab. Every time I order a dvd I search by title since I don't have the UPC. And then check with the different versions to ensure that the cover matches what I have ordered and that the features that I want are present. And when I'm searching by title I use what is listed at the dvd supplier. I already have X-Men 3 - but if I didn't and was searching then I wouldn't look for the text last or stand - too many profiles would appear I imagine. (I'm at work - in my lunch hour! - so I don't have any access to see exactly how many would appear) | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
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They could always type the UPC, Doc.
Won't help if they want to add it to their wish list, for example. Why not? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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Exactly...some people forget that the online is a starting point and you can actually change the title in your local.
Ah, but how do you go about finding the X-Men 3 title? Only way someone will find it is if they do a substring search for "the last stand" or hit X and start scrolling. If they type "x men" or "x-men" as would seem the logical thing to do, they won't find it.
If you type in what is on the case or use the UPC code you will have no problems finding the dvd.
And as others have already said - this doesn't help with adding items to your 'ordered' tab. Every time I order a dvd I search by title since I don't have the UPC. And then check with the different versions to ensure that the cover matches what I have ordered and that the features that I want are present.
And when I'm searching by title I use what is listed at the dvd supplier.
I already have X-Men 3 - but if I didn't and was searching then I wouldn't look for the text last or stand - too many profiles would appear I imagine. (I'm at work - in my lunch hour! - so I don't have any access to see exactly how many would appear) Finding a UPC online takes about 5 seconds. If you happen to pick the wrong UPC for your wishlist or oredered tab, is it really a big deal? Once you receive the DVD you can enter the correct UPC. Seems like much ado about nothing. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
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They could always type the UPC, Doc.
Won't help if they want to add it to their wish list, for example.
Why not? How many would you say of the total DVDP user base knows how to find a UPC for a particular product? I don't. How many would you say would think to search for "X III" instead of "X-men" when trying to find this blu-ray title if they didn't know about this side-effect of the rules? I'm willing to bet that nobody would. How many retailers list this title as "X III: The Last Stand"? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
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How many would you say of the total DVDP user base knows how to find a UPC for a particular product? I don't. my neither. Quote:
How many would you say would think to search for "X III" instead of "X-men" when trying to find this blu-ray title if they didn't know about this side-effect of the rules? I'm willing to bet that nobody would. i would be probably looking for x men or xmen Quote:
How many retailers list this title as "X III: The Last Stand"? Only Google has a way of finding this: | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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