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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seems some people think its OK to vote NO because they don't like somebody's "attitude."
Picture this: A profile is submitted, and gets a No vote. Then the voter contacts the person who did the profile wanting to know how they verified the sound tracks. Profile notes said: "All info taken from disc/cover as necessary." Not verbose, but sufficient since the disc is the primary source. This person also didn't like the way the disc IDs were done or a correction to the title layout that is clearly indictated by the cover arrangement. All of which was explained in several PMs.
Apparently that isn't good enough. And, this worthy is too bloody lazy to stick their copy of the disc into the drive to check it themselves, and even said they were too "disorganized" to check it. Even after explaining further, I got a snotty reply. Now, the rules prohibit NO votes based on personal preferences. The data are correct whether or not this person likes it.
And people wonder why I have an attitude!
The profile is question is for the two disc live performances called "Led Zeppelin." | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | One day you and Skip will learn to deal with problems like normal people. This "voter" is me, by the way, the one who Skip and Rifter consistently accuse of harrassing them, before they start threads like these... Seriously, did we learn nothing from the Maid in Manhattan thread?
Rifter's contribution notes stated "Listed Audio per cover as I found them". This in not confirmation of a proper verification method, even with "all information taken from DVDs/Cover as necessary".
The lies continue with "The voter" contacts the person who did the profile...", because Rifter PM'ed me and told me he didn't need to give verification methods as his work is apparently beyond reproach. As far as I was concerned the vote said it all, take it or leave it.
The vote was nothing to do with your attitude, Rifter, I disagreed with two of your stylistic changes (there should never be two discs simple labelled "Main Feature"; if there are two, it should be a box set, if it is one feature, you add "(Part #)") and you didn't adequately document the other. If you felt I was being rude to you, maybe it's because yet again you decided to go on an ego kick and pick an argument. This is a democratic DB, you have to deal with negative votes like an adult. And now yet again you're just stirring up trouble in the forums. Grow up and put your ego away. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
One day you and Skip will learn to deal with problems like normal people. This "voter" is me, by the way, the one who Skip and Rifter consistently accuse of harrassing them, before they start threads like these... Seriously, did we learn nothing from the Maid in Manhattan thread?
Rifter's contribution notes stated "Listed Audio per cover as I found them". This in not confirmation of a proper verification method, even with "all information taken from DVDs/Cover as necessary".
The lies continue with "The voter" contacts the person who did the profile...", because Rifter PM'ed me and told me he didn't need to give verification methods as his work is apparently beyond reproach. As far as I was concerned the vote said it all, take it or leave it.
The vote was nothing to do with your attitude, Rifter, I disagreed with two of your stylistic changes (there should never be two discs simple labelled "Main Feature"; if there are two, it should be a box set, if it is one feature, you add "(Part #)") and you didn't adequately document the other. If you felt I was being rude to you, maybe it's because yet again you decided to go on an ego kick and pick an argument. This is a democratic DB, you have to deal with negative votes like an adult. And now yet again you're just stirring up trouble in the forums. Grow up and put your ego away. What part of "all information taken from disc as necessary" don't you get? As for the disc titles, there is no crossover of material from disc 1 to disc 2 - each one is self-contained as far as content goes. The disc ID itself identifies that its disc 1 and disc 2, so there is no reason to add it AGAIN into the title area. All of which I told you. But the bottom line is, you had issues with my profile, but just went on the fly, and didn't bother to check what I did against the actual disc. And, no, I don't give a flying fig if you're too "disorganized" to find the disc. That isn't my problem. I would've done you the courtesy of finding it and checking it before voting, and if I didn't feel I had the time, I would've voted neutral. Its got nothing to do with ego, its got to do with you being too lazy to give someone else the courtesy of an honest INFORMED vote. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can see both sides here. My major question comes from the following: "Listed Audio per cover as I found them" The Rules state: "List audio tracks in the order in which they are encoded on the disc, determined via your DVD player or DVD-ROM drive." So there appears to be a conflict here using the Cover for data, not at all unusual. One day Nadja maybe you will grow up and drop your self-righteous attitude. The only reason I say this is because you chose to include me in your insulting remarks.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is the domain of the contributor to verify the submission, not the voter. Why would I vote neutral when you're making changes that may be wrong? According to your general stance, it's better not to risk bad info being put in the DB than it is to stand by and watch it happen.
I have 2400+ discs; if I went and got the disc in order to verify every contribution with ambiguous notes, I'd not have time for anything else. Which I've already said to you in PM, meaning that the only reason you're bringing it up here too is in order to make trouble. When are you going to start behaving like an adult?
Now, as far as I'm concerned, this is done. I'm not changing my vote, as even though you have explained your verification method in PM to me (are you going to do that for every voter, btw?), my other objections still stand. I'm not taking any further part in this thread, because, well, what would be the point? It's all been covered here and in PM, and so it's only going to descend into your usual ego stuffing. Get over yourself and get on with your day. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I can see both sides here. My major question comes from the following:
"Listed Audio per cover as I found them"
The Rules state:
"List audio tracks in the order in which they are encoded on the disc, determined via your DVD player or DVD-ROM drive."
So there appears to be a conflict here using the Cover for data, not at all unusual.
One day Nadja maybe you will grow up and drop your self-righteous attitude. The only reason I say this is because you chose to include me in your insulting remarks.
Skip I did clarify however that "all information taken from disc/cover as necessary". The data on the cover is in the same order as what is on the disc. Maybe I could've worded it better, but I did check track order, and said so. So, basically, other than the tracks, her bitch about my profile is based on her personal preferences, which is why I brought this up at all. Nor do I care about 2400+ discs. You aren't supposed to vote NO just because something doesn't look right, or you think it might be wrong. If you're not sure, then find the disc and check it. THEN, that No vote really means something. If you're too busy to do that, or too disorganized, then you shouldn't be voting at all. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! | | | | Last edited: by Rifter |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know the exact contribution notes, so I will not comment on the Audio track issue... Maybe it was mentioned that they were in the order as per disc, maybe it wasn't. It is clear to me though, that the Disc Description needs to have (Part #) added if Main feature is mentioned more than once. Redundant to the Disc number or not. Quoting the Rules: Quote:
If a film spans 2 discs, add (Part 1) and (Part 2) to the “Main Feature” description. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
I don't know the exact contribution notes, so I will not comment on the Audio track issue... Maybe it was mentioned that they were in the order as per disc, maybe it wasn't.
It is clear to me though, that the Disc Description needs to have (Part #) added if Main feature is mentioned more than once. Redundant to the Disc number or not.
Quoting the Rules:
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If a film spans 2 discs, add (Part 1) and (Part 2) to the “Main Feature” description. It is not a continuous movie. It is several live performances, each as a separate unit. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Doesn't matter, all those live perfomrmances run under the same DVD title, they are, as a whole, the main feature of the disc (as opposed to any surplus bonus cuts, footage or whatever). Referring to an encoded bit of data in the disc ID to clarify the part 1 and part 2 bit is a very far stretch IMO.
BTW, if something looks fishy in a contribution, and the notes do not provide sufficient documentation to clearly understand the reason for a data change, it's the contributor's bad luck that he doesn't know how to describe the reason for a change correctly. I personally won't go on a bug hunt everytime someone forgets or is too lazy to document well enough his reasons for a change. That contribution gets a "No" from me, and if I'm wrong for doing so, then so be it. If I had to manually recheck everything someone else submits without sufficient notes, just to make sure if the change is actually correct and I can't vote "No", the contribution notes are superfluous per se.
With them done correctly, you know how to vote. With them done insufficiently, you have to check the correctness of the data submitted to cast your vote accordingly? I don't think so, and won't do it this way. | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | From what has been said as to what the contribution notes state, I'd have voted no. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. | | | | Last edited: by Kevin Coed |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin Coed: Quote:
From what has been said as to what the contribution notes state, I'd have voted no. Agreed. Would also have got a No from me, seems pretty clear cut! | | | Andy 
"Credited as" Names Database |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi there, Kettle. I'm Pot. You're black. | | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | well, i'll stand in the fire. if i have an update i'm not certain about, i won't vote on it until i do stick the disc into the computer or dvd player to check the info (i have a vote-pending title now that's waiting for just that). i'm about 1000 discs shy of the other people in this thread, but i still pull discs off the shelf to check, especially disc ids or technical info, before voting. that's how you get an accurate database; not by just voting on the fly. of course, i voted on off the top of my head once, was wrong, and had to walk naked through the "ain't he an idiot" gaunlet...  don't just vote; vote with knowledge and then with confidence. krik  | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the user gives adequate notes but something doesn't smell right then I will pull the title off the shelf and double-check it. Inadequate notes gets a straight no vote no matter if the data looks correct. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Same here, and from experience, also across the board of the community | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | If a contribution looks ok, I usually vote neutral. If I get suspicious, I double check with my DVD and vote accordingly. I think this way, I do get the most impact out of my votes. Cover scans are a different matter though. |
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