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Beaten down ... Giving up ...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
Everybody down!
Registered: March 13, 2007
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You guys win.

I am so sick and tired of taking time out of my day to try to better the database with scans that look nice ... only to get shot down because I am one Pantone color off.

There are scans in the database that look like Ray Charles did them and you guys complain because I am a shade off ... or you can not read the text (like you could read it before) ... etc ... etc.

I can understand now why we have the database we have ... because some people want absolute perfection and people like myself who try their best to make things nicer get beat up and finally just give up.

I am just going to scan covers to my liking ... save them in my local database ... and not worry about what is in the online datbase.

Thank you for beating me down to the point where I am giving up.

I am on my way out now to withdraw ALL of my contributions ... be it for text or covers.

Enjoy your database as it sits. 

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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You are taking it all way too personally, mw.

All we can do is judge the results, you have at least two options, one you seem to be exercising. The other is to accept the constructive criticism and try to learn to do better. The work I have seen from you is a nice try, and I applaud you for that, but that doesn't mean that it has merit. I am a very tough judge on images, I will grant you that, but I want improvement and I am not seeing that from you, I am actually seeing images which if accepted would degrade the quality the images in the database.

Do as you will, sorry to have upset if i did.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Sorry to hear that,
I do think sometimes that people are too strict about cover scans sometimes. I also think that they could be a bit more constructive in their no vote comments than they usually are.
I usually find if a comment is written in a more friendly manner, then the contributor is more likely to take it to heart and act on it.

Edit: also remember that no votes are not the end of the world, especially with cover scans
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
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Deleted this post ... should not have taken up space with this.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Yeah, so what, MW irrelevant. Your work simply isn't that good. I appreciate the effort. If you like it great.
Your sharpness and detail are severly lacking on most of what I have seen, your colors are interpretations not a good reflection of the actual cover, or one half may be Ok and the other half very bad. Whatever, as I said you can accept the criticism and learn how to improve or you can do as you appear to have decided to do. <shrugs> Sorry again.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
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No votes do not mean that they will not be considered to be an improvement. It is quite likely that the contributions would have been accepted. Why don't you leave them and wait and see?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
Registered: June 21, 2007
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Sorry to hear this man. I was right there a couple months ago, about to just say "f**k it, everyone here is on crack and only looking for reasons to vote no on everything instead of looking at the good."
I still sometimes feel that way but have tweaked a few things on my scanner and pictureIt reformatting, so now my percentages of yes votes are through the roof. I did just had one with 54 yes, 1 no (approved and released). Never gonna be able to please everyone. Try not to let anyone get to you. I understand how you feel, but the DB needs good contributers. Do like I've been doing with the stock market the last 2 weeks. Leave your subs up and don't look or worry about them, the worst that will happen here is a declined and that doesn't hurt or cost anything. Maybe a few minutes of your time, but if you're scanning for your local anyway, then it's down to seconds to submit.

Did you put up the "Do The Right Thing" Criterion collection scans? Someone did and now they're gone while I don't even look at names of submitters anymore to be sure and be fair. I'd be tempted to give 8ballMax a 'no' for no reason other than the dozens he's given me.

If those were your scans, I just voted a resounding 'yes' after comparing them to my covers. There was one 'no' vote already on em talking about too dark. Now I can't see the update at all in the pending. If you withdrew that, please re-submit at least that one as those scans were absolutly dead on perfect.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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You are taking it all way too personally, mw.

All we can do is judge the results, you have at least two options, one you seem to be exercising. The other is to accept the constructive criticism and try to learn to do better. The work I have seen from you is a nice try, and I applaud you for that, but that doesn't mean that it has merit. I am a very tough judge on images, I will grant you that, but I want improvement and I am not seeing that from you, I am actually seeing images which if accepted would degrade the quality the images in the database.

Do as you will, sorry to have upset if i did.

Skip


Like you said in this post .. I have two options ... and I am choosing to just stop contributing.

It may not happen this week or this month or this year ... but sooner or later people will get sick and tired of all the negativity in here and do the same and then there will be NO database updating.

Like I said in an earlier post ... every screen on a computer does not show colors the same. You may see something different on yours then I see on mine.

You say that some of the contributions I made are no better, and possibly worse, then what is there and that is a total crock of s**t ... and you know it as well as I do. Just because they are not up to YOUR standards does not mean that others in here do not appreciate the work that some of us are trying to do.

I see many contributions that are NOT up to par ... some I see are on the edge ... but they are better then what is in the database at the moment. Should I vote NO because it is not perfect? I would reather have a newer scan in the database that is CLOSE in color but clear and focused then some of the crap that is in there now. It can always be improved upon by others if they feel down the road that the new one is not up to par.

I do not want to get into a big old fight in here about this ... and I am having second thoughts that I even opened this post. I should have just sat in the background and kept this to myself.

I will not contribute anymore to this database.

Thank you all for listening to my complaining.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
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I've got to agree with Kathy and bigdaddy - there are some people on here who you'll never be able to please with a cover scan, but it doesn't mean they'll be declined.
I've had submissions accepted when the yes/no votes have been nearly 50-50
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
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Sorry to hear that MW.

I actually liked many of your scans and voted yes on them. I think the only one I voted Neutral on was Home Alone because it was just too close to call and I don't own that title to compare.

I can understand taking it personally. I can't do covers as I don't have a scanner but I am sure it's a lot of work to get the image as good as possible. So I can understand after doing all of that work and getting no votes or even some harsh opinions of them to take it personally. After all when someone tries their best and to get negative votes or comments on them it isn't about the quality of the scan but it turns to be comment on the work that they did.

I hope that you would consider because any loss of a contributor hurts all of us in some fashion.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
Registered: June 21, 2007
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For the record mwkirchner, we share a few titles but maybe only one UPC code. I was just trying to check it, but you killed your list. Was Up in Smoke 097360896640 one of them?. Pretty sure I voted yeah on something for that disc recently.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
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I've got to agree with Kathy and bigdaddy - there are some people on here who you'll never be able to please with a cover scan, but it doesn't mean they'll be declined.
I've had submissions accepted when the yes/no votes have been nearly 50-50


On the flip side of that, I've had scans declined with 12 yes and 1 no in that past. Check out Heavy Metal 2000, upc 043396052673. I should just submit those again as someone was big on crack that day, but took it personally and figure the one no voter and Gerri can have it their way with those horrid existing scans.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
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For the record mwkirchner, we share a few titles but maybe only one UPC code. I was just trying to check it, but you killed your list. Was Up in Smoke 097360896640 one of them?. Pretty sure I voted yeah on something for that disc recently.


I did have an update that one. I had removed the quotation marks from around UP IN SMOKE.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
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For the record mwkirchner, we share a few titles but maybe only one UPC code. I was just trying to check it, but you killed your list. Was Up in Smoke 097360896640 one of them?. Pretty sure I voted yeah on something for that disc recently.


I did have an update that one. I had removed the quotation marks from around UP IN SMOKE.


Ahh yeah. I might've went Neutral on that since the whole title thing is confusing, esp. that one which has no quotes on front cover, but does have them in the credit box on back. If I didn't go neut., I would've gone yes as it makes the most sense to me to follow the front. I think it's even in the rules.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
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Registered: June 12, 2007
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The important thing is you're happy with the scans.

I create (am creating) new scans for all my DVDs as i like them with more detail then the online DB allows (i keep 1000x1400 uncompressed JPGs).  I compare what i create against what's online and if in my opinion it is better i'll contribute.

I get No votes on some (less since i got color calibration HW/SW) but i don't lose sleep over those.  Image votes will always be subjective.  When i get No votes on images i just let the contribution stay there and let the screeners decide.  'No' votes don't always condemn an image...and if they do, you still got yours! 

Another thing to remember is screeners vote separately on Profiles & Images.  If the No votes are for the Image the Profile will still get approved and you still have an image you like.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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I've got to agree with Kathy and bigdaddy - there are some people on here who you'll never be able to please with a cover scan, but it doesn't mean they'll be declined.
I've had submissions accepted when the yes/no votes have been nearly 50-50

I have to agree with what has been said so far. When I first started out a few years ago, I wasn't doing so good either, but I read over the no votes and to find out how I can improve. Sure there are some people on this board/database, you just can't please, but you shouldn't give up. If someone votes no and you disagree, PM them. I have in the past and sometimes they are willing to help you out. Remember the voters don't make the decision, they help the screeners, but in the end its the screeners that make the final call. BTW in your honor, I gave the Home Alone front cover a shot.
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