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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
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I am working on this one title, and the more I look into the more questions I get

1) Do I credit the crew under the 'American Post Production' section. This directly follows the regular crew. In another thread someone said we don't credit unit\location crews, but I didn't see anything to that effect in the rules

2) production year, I know this is the theatrical release year, but I can't find any consistant year between sources. The best source, the production company, has it as 1996. Wikipedia says its a 1995 action film and has a US theatrical release as 1997 (i know it should be the first theatrical release which isn't necessarily the US's release

3) This particular title is a double feature (Jackie Chan's First Strike and Mr. Nice Guy). While looking up this other stuff I found info on wikipedia, imdb, and movieweb suggest the Original Title is 'Police Story 4: First Strike'
So the question is, how do i put in an original title for a double feature. The current title is 'Jackie Chan's First Strike / Mr. Nice Guy' with Double Feature as the edition (upc: 794043-830822)

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1.) Correct, there's nothing in the rules prohibiting unit/location crew credits (except for Cinematography).  It seems to have been a "forum" decision made a while back not to include them, but techinically there's nothing stopping you from doing it.  I don't know the history behind it (and I don't have access to the Rules forum to check) but I think it might be one of those things that was agreed upon and supposed to be added to the rules, but just never made it there for some reason?  I may be wrong (my wife insists it happens from time to time).

2.) Since this is a box set profile (794043-830822 would be the parent) then you should put the release date for the earlier movie of the two.  Looks like 1996 for First Strike and 1997 for Mr. Nice Guy (both were originally released in Hong Kong first).

3.) For the parent profile you wouldn't need the Original Titles since the title of the DVD set is the 2 names together as you've done.  You would use the Original Title field for the 2 child profiles for the individual movies.

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Actually, there could be a debate regarding #2 and the release dates.  Depending if the version of the films on the DVDs are the original Hong Kong versions or if they are the U.S. theatrical versions.  For instance, do they include the original Cantonese (or Mandarin, forget which) soundtrack or are you forced to watch them dubbed and if you can watch in Cantonese/Mandarin are the subtitles optional or burned in to the video?  These can usually tell you whether they're the U.S. versions and if so then I could the side where you would use the U.S. theatrical release dates instead since these may not be the same version of the movie released in Hong Kong at the earlier dates.
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Quoting Vega:
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1.) Correct, there's nothing in the rules prohibiting unit/location crew credits (except for Cinematography).


Also, from the Rules:
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Do not include Unit Directors or Directors of Special Features
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Quoting Vega:
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1.) Correct, there's nothing in the rules prohibiting unit/location crew credits (except for Cinematography).  It seems to have been a "forum" decision made a while back not to include them, but techinically there's nothing stopping you from doing it.  I don't know the history behind it (and I don't have access to the Rules forum to check) but I think it might be one of those things that was agreed upon and supposed to be added to the rules, but just never made it there for some reason?  I may be wrong (my wife insists it happens from time to time).

I did look at the other profiles for these two movies (both have the 'American Post Production') some profiles have the crew from there some don't. I'd prefer to submit the profile in its most complete and accurate to the rules form. Which is why I decided to ask how to handle these crew members (all the ones that get credited in DVD Profiler would be under sound)

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2.) Since this is a box set profile (794043-830822 would be the parent) then you should put the release date for the earlier movie of the two.  Looks like 1996 for First Strike and 1997 for Mr. Nice Guy (both were originally released in Hong Kong first).

that's what I was thinking

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3.) For the parent profile you wouldn't need the Original Titles since the title of the DVD set is the 2 names together as you've done.  You would use the Original Title field for the 2 child profiles for the individual movies.

Unfortunatly, this is a 'Box Set' with 2 movies on a single sided disc, so there are no child profiles

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Actually, there could be a debate regarding #2 and the release dates.  Depending if the version of the films on the DVDs are the original Hong Kong versions or if they are the U.S. theatrical versions.  For instance, do they include the original Mandarin soundtrack or are you forced to watch them dubbed and if you can watch in Mandarin are the subtitles optional or burned in to the video?  These can usually tell you whether they're the U.S. versions and if so then I could the side where you would use the U.S. theatrical release dates instead since these may not be the same version of the movie released in Hong Kong at the earlier dates.


based on what you said, it most likely is the U.S. version. I also believe that is why the 'American Post Production' section is in the credits. because all the credits there seem to be post filming work dealing mostly with the sound track. but if it is a U.S. version, I would think that supports adding those crew credits in. I can't compare to the Hong Kong version's credits to see if they are present there as well since I don't have that version

but based on the Production Year rule: "Enter the year of the original theatrical release. For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released." I think that it would still be the 1996 date
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Quoting EnryWiki:
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Also, from the Rules:
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Do not include Unit Directors or Directors of Special Features


Ah, thanks Enry!  Missed that one.


Quoting Agrare:
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Unfortunatly, this is a 'Box Set' with 2 movies on a single sided disc, so there are no child profiles


Ouch.. ya, that is a sticky situation.  I'll never understand cramming 2 full length movies on a single side of a disc.  I guess you could split the original titles up just like the other title field:  "Jing cha gu shi 4: Zhi jian dan ren wu / Yat gor ho yan"

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but based on the Production Year rule: "Enter the year of the original theatrical release. For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released." I think that it would still be the 1996 date


Good point, I'd agree with that logic.
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