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To correct or not?  The problem of married women, now separated, and their names
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantastage
Registered: June 26, 2007
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I ask for advice on the following problem.

I was intending to update, expand and correct details of the entry for "Angela" (EAN: 5060034570721), but have a problem with one producer's name.  The current Invelos entry credits "Rita Cecchi Gori" - which is her married name.
However, details on various web-sites, e.g.:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117789423.html?categoryid=19&cs=1
indicate that at the time of the film's production, in 2002, she had separated from her husband, Italian media kingpin Vittorio Cecchi Gori, during 2000, and was reusing her maiden name of "Rita Rusic".
The film's end credits actually state: "prodotto da Lierka e Rita Rusic" (produced by Lierka and Rita Rusic), so the current database entry doesn't match the end credits.

Using the Invelos 'Credit Lookup', there is another entry for Angela (Australian release, 2002 under UPC: 9-321337-037851).  This correctly credits "Rita Rusic" as producer, along with 15 other titles. 
The lookup also credits "Rita Cecchi Gori" with 24 titles, including (perhaps incorrectly) one released in 2005 (after her separation).

So there are three questions:
1) What do you do with a woman with credits, before marriage (in maiden name), after marriage (in married name), and then after separation (maiden name reused)?
2) Should one correct existing entries where the incorrect name has been used for a film produced at a particular date, or should the 'Credited as' field be used?
3) If 'Credited as' is used, should it be:
whilst single: "Rita Rusic"
whilst married: "Rita Rusic", credited as: "Rita Cecchi Gori"
after separation: "Rita Rusic"
or ...., or.....
Oh, dear my head hurts.

.... Can we just call her "Rita" -  PLEASE, PLEASE!!
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Gunslinger's Revenge has an incorrect production year. It actually came out in 1998 so it's possible she was credited with her married name.
I don't know how many of her films are available on DVD, or how accurate the CLT is, so this is only a suggestion. But this is how I look at it:
According to IMDB she has produced approx 50 titles under her married name, but only 5 (so far) under her married name. This, along with the CLT results you quote, suggests that her common name is Rita Cecchi Gori even though she doesn't use this anymore.
So I would say submit her as Rita Cecchi Gori credited as Rita Rusic to create the necessary linking.

Edit: I can't actually answer your questions as the answers would change from case to case. All we care about is how often a person is credited with each name. If that happens to be their married name which they don't use anymore, so be it.
We simply work out which name is the one most commonly used, then use "credited as" for the credits that don't match this name.
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Thanks NorthBloke!
I didn't use IMDb as a reference, since I thought that was the devil's site   The couple of lookup I made there in the past were badly flawed.

Unfortunately, I don't think some of my separated/divorced women friends would be too happy with the sugestion of their credits remaining under or being awarded to their married names .  But, in many cases, I think the decision should be based upon what came first, rather than the quantity under a specific name - in other words treating the married name as an alias - particularly when after divorce the maiden name is reused for further work.

However, I'm confused by your argument.  Unless I'm mistaken, possible, the IMDb has the main entry under "Rita Rusic" with an 'alternate names' entry of "Rita Cecchi Gori"  But I don't wish to suggest that "the devil" is correct!

In this instance it would really be a mammoth task to review each of her films to determine correct production dates and credits.  BUT, if based upon quanity under a specific name, what happens once her future (maiden name) credits exceed married ones?  Do we then go back and change previous entries?

Unfortunately, I think this is turning out to be another, "do what you want in your local database, but don't contribute that profile" answer. 
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At this point that is the only answer we can use. Ken has created the Look-up Tool (not that it is always right) and clarified on more then one account that what he is looking for is the Most Commonly Credited Name for the name field. So that means at least for the online database that is what we need to do.

As for what happens when the most commonly credited name changes... with the way it is set up right now... then we have to change the name in profiler. I am not saying that this is or is not be the best way to handle it.. but that is how Ken said he wanted it for the online database... so that is what we have to work with... for now at least.

And if you suspect the Credit Look-up Tool to be wrong the only thing you can do at this point is go through all the titles for that person to see how they are credited... of course this may have to be done by a group of people... because how often do you have every title that a certain person worked on?
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At the moment the way we've been told to define the "common name" (the one we use for the database) is to use the name that's most commonly credited - irrespective of whether that name is still in use or not. Personally, I didn't agree with that, but Ken made his decision so that's what we go with.

It does mean however that you're right - at the moment the common name is Rita Cecchi Gori, but at some point in the future Rita Rusic may have more credits in which case that becomes the common name! What we do then, I don't know! 

I've been looking at all the credits in the CLT (yes it's that slow at work), and it does look like a lot of them are wrong - but it's mostly the Rita Rusic ones that are wrong.
If you follow the basic timeline and compare it to IMDB (you're right, not the best source but this is only for argument's sake) you find that she only has three Rita Rusic credits in Profiler: Angela, Attila Flagello Di Dio and Il Pentito.
All the rest are probably Rita Cecchi Gori credits. So by my calculations she has to produce or act in 21 more titles before we have to worry about the situation you mention!
I'm hoping that by the time we get there, a way will have been worked out where we can change common names en masse rather than profile by profile.

PS. I also noticed that some of the Rita Cecchi Gori entries are also parsed wrong. It should be Rita//Cecchi Gori but some profiles have Cecchi as a middle name.
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Thanks!
Yes, I'd noticed the parsing inconsistancy as well.

For the moment, I'll correct and submit the updated contribution as:
"Rita//Cecchi Gori" credited as "Rita Rusic"
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Using the Credited As system, I hope. Don't change the On Screen credit.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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Using the Credited As system, I hope. Don't change the On Screen credit.

Sorry, Skip, but you've confused me.

Her 'on screen credit' is actually: "Producer: Rita Rusic".  Or more correctly: "prodotto da Lierka e Rita Rusic" (produced by Lierka and Rita Rusic).
But, as I now understand it, I have to use her 'most commonly credited name' which is: "Rita//Cecchi Gori" - which was her earlier married name.

So if I apply the 'most commonly credited name' rule, the Crew Entry field should be:
Name: Rita//Cecchi Gori
Credited As: Rita Rusic
Role: Producer
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Right

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