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Are Individual programs in their own cases, purchased as a 3-pack, considered a BOX-SET?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorPaul Hillenbrand
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These are Blu-ray releases.

Three individual discs with their own Blu-ray cases:

1) Jeff Dunham: Arguing With Myself (Blu-ray) - (UPC #014381-5173-54)
2) Jeff Dunham: Spark of Insanity (Blu-ray) - (UPC #014381-5119-56)
3) Jeff Dunham's Very Special Christmas Special (Blu-ray) - (UPC #014381-5150-53)

Jeff Dunham: Arguing With Myself (Blu-ray) -  will not be released for sale individually until Feb 3, 2009, while the other two can be purchased individually as of 11/18/2008 as well as the three, individually, in a 3-Pack.

Opinions please.

Release date question for Jeff Dunham: Arguing With Myself (Blu-ray) - (UPC #014381-5173-54)?
November 18, 2008 availability or Feb 3, 2009 availability?

One NO vote already given for November 18, 2008

Reason for NO vote:
Since this was part of a three pack (boxset), original release is correct for single BD according to Image Entertainment, Amazon.com and Blu-ray.com

Thanks for your time,


Paul

Edit: As a result of the NO vote above, I updated my contribution notes to add the following:

*Updated Notes* This Blu-ray disc was purchased as an individual disc-&-case that was included in a 3-pack special price. IMO, it is not considered a "BOX-SET".

2nd Edit:
Resubmitted the profile without changing the future "Release" date.
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Do the 3 discs (in their separate cases) come in an outer case?  That would definitely make it a boxset.  Or did Amazon just shrinkwrap the 3 individual cases together?  I'd still say this should be a boxset.

As for the release date, Nov 18 is the release date according to Amazon, so that date should also be used for Arguing with Myself.  It doesn't matter that Arguing won't be available individually until Feb...it's available now in this set and this set was released on Nov 18
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorPaul Hillenbrand
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FYI: Amazon just shrinkwraped the 3 individual cases together.

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I vote no boxset.  I'd call it a bundle instead and those aren't really interesting from a profiling point of view (for me anyway).
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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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I vote no boxset.  I'd call it a bundle instead and those aren't really interesting from a profiling point of view (for me anyway).

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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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I vote no boxset.  I'd call it a bundle instead and those aren't really interesting from a profiling point of view (for me anyway).


I agree
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I would not submit it as a box set for the online, but maybe for my personal so I can enter my purchase data correctly.
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This is an interesting discussion that I've seen  come up in a few threads lately. 

According to the rules:
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The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
    * Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.


I'm curious, what constitutes a "package" for individually packaged films "held together?"  For example, in another thread, some believed that a set of individual films shrink-wrapped together with a unique upc was a bundle not to be submitted as a box-set.  I suppose I always read the rule rather literally and came to the conclusion that if they were packaged together and at least had a unique upc-- that should constitute a box set.  However, since that does not seem to be the majority rule, I was wondering what serves as sufficient "packaging" to warrant box-set status? 

I'm asking in the less traditional sense- obviously if they are in a slip-case, they're more or less in a box  for box-set purposes. But, would, for example, a cardboard wrapper around the dvds be enough?
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I'm curious, what constitutes a "package" for individually packaged films "held together?"  For example, in another thread, some believed that a set of individual films shrink-wrapped together with a unique upc was a bundle not to be submitted as a box-set.  I suppose I always read the rule rather literally and came to the conclusion that if they were packaged together and at least had a unique upc-- that should constitute a box set.  However, since that does not seem to be the majority rule, I was wondering what serves as sufficient "packaging" to warrant box-set status? 


I believe in the previous thread the point was once the shrink wrap was removed the "set" could not be re-created so was no longer a box set.  A box set is a set/group of movies/DVDs that even after the shrink wrap was removed the DVDs still had some packaging that held them together as a set.

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Searching for "Jeff Dunham" at www.image-entertainment.com yields the three individual titles, but not a three pack.  It seems like the three are just bundled together by the retailer, so it's not a release.  (So not a boxset as far as Profiler defines it.)
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Quoting tkinnen:
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I believe in the previous thread the point was once the shrink wrap was removed the "set" could not be re-created so was no longer a box set.  A box set is a set/group of movies/DVDs that even after the shrink wrap was removed the DVDs still had some packaging that held them together as a set.

Tom


So then, if two dvds were shrink-wrapped together and then beyond the shrink-wrap, also had a cardboard band further packaging them together, and that band had a unique upc on it as well as a description of the titles, that would qualify for box set status?  By way of example- see upc 827058400497.
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So then, if two dvds were shrink-wrapped together and then beyond the shrink-wrap, also had a cardboard band further packaging them together, and that band had a unique upc on it as well as a description of the titles, that would qualify for box set status?  By way of example- see upc 827058400497.

Were I submitting this it would not have occurred to me to make them a box set.
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I was one who voted no, since I got it myself from Amazon, which lists it as, "Jeff Dunham: Three-Disc Collection (Arguing with Myself, Spark of Insanity, Very Special Christmas Special) - Amazon.com Exclusive [Blu-ray]." It also has its own UPC: 014381518955. Amazon.com shows the stand-alone disc coming out Feb 3, 2009, so does Image Entertainment, who is releasing the disc. Also Blu-ray.com had this from Image Entertainment's press release:
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In an early announcement to retailers, Image Entertainment has revealed that they will bring the 1976 John Carpenter film 'Assault on Precinct 13' for Blu-ray on December 2nd. Just announced by Image, the company will bring the comedy 'Ping Pong Playa' to Blu-ray on January 6th, while 'Jeff Dunham: Arguing with Myself' gets delayed until February 3rd.
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As I think about this, I'm not I can come up with a reason NOT to contribute this as a box set.  It's got a separate title ("Jeff Dunham: Three-Disc Collection"), its own UPC (014381518955), and it's available from at least one vendor (Amazon.com).  It also shows up at Michael's Movie Mayhem with a release of 11/18/2008 and an SRP of $89.98.  So apparently it's a recognized 3-disc collection.

In any case, I don't see a down side to uploading a parent box-set profile for this.  This would have no effect on the individual "child" profiles, as I understand things, so why not upload the box set parent and let people who bought it that way use it that way if they so choose.  No one would be forced to show it as a box set if they didn't want to.
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As I think about this, I'm not I can come up with a reason NOT to contribute this as a box set.  It's got a separate title ("Jeff Dunham: Three-Disc Collection"), its own UPC (014381518955), and it's available from at least one vendor (Amazon.com).  It also shows up at Michael's Movie Mayhem with a release of 11/18/2008 and an SRP of $89.98.  So apparently it's a recognized 3-disc collection.

In any case, I don't see a down side to uploading a parent box-set profile for this.  This would have no effect on the individual "child" profiles, as I understand things, so why not upload the box set parent and let people who bought it that way use it that way if they so choose.  No one would be forced to show it as a box set if they didn't want to.

This is my thought exactly. I think what happened and the reason for the single disc release was so Amazon could promote it as an Exclusive collection, which it is for the time being. If Image hadn't changed the date to Feb. 3rd and just released it with the others, I wouldn't have cared one way or the other. As for Paul's contribution, I think the other stuff is great, but to me changing the date, just shouldn't be done, since its only available in the exclusive three pack for now, which like I and the Another Ken pointed out before, the set has its own UPC and SRP.
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Quoting kdh1949:
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As I think about this, I'm not I can come up with a reason NOT to contribute this as a box set.  It's got a separate title ("Jeff Dunham: Three-Disc Collection"), its own UPC (014381518955), and it's available from at least one vendor (Amazon.com).  It also shows up at Michael's Movie Mayhem with a release of 11/18/2008 and an SRP of $89.98.  So apparently it's a recognized 3-disc collection.

The above link to Michael's Movie Mayhem is the first place I've now seen the "Three-Disc Collection" with a UPC #.

Even though I've looked for it, I haven't been able to find "Jeff Dunham: Three-Disc Collection" with a UPC# on any site and there was none on the shrinkwrap.

When I just checked, the above # isn't in the DVD Profiler database either.

Paul
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