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																	| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 5,507 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Last nights CBS TV special of the AFI top 100 of the past 100 years - 10th anniversary was a no brainer  but interesting to see that again Citizen Kane again came in number one.  The dvd of that title also has Roger Ebert and Peter Bogdanovich seperately on commentary., Recommended but voted number one twice in ten years??  1 CITIZEN KANE   2 GODFATHER, THE   3 CASABLANCA   4 RAGING BULL   5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN   6 GONE WITH THE WIND   7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA   8 SCHINDLER'S LIST   9 VERTIGO   10 WIZARD OF OZ, THE   11 CITY LIGHTS   12 SEARCHERS, THE   13 STAR WARS   14 PSYCHO   15 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY   16 SUNSET BLVD.   17 GRADUATE, THE   18 GENERAL, THE   19 ON THE WATERFRONT   20 IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE   21 CHINATOWN   22 SOME LIKE IT HOT   23 GRAPES OF WRATH, THE   24 E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL   25 TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD   26 MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON   27 HIGH NOON   28 ALL ABOUT EVE   29 DOUBLE INDEMNITY   30 APOCALYPSE NOW   31 MALTESE FALCON, THE   32 GODFATHER PART II, THE   33 ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST   34 SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS   35 ANNIE HALL   36 BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI, THE   37 BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, THE   38 TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE, THE   39 DR. STRANGELOVE   40 SOUND OF MUSIC, THE   41 KING KONG   42 BONNIE AND CLYDE   43 MIDNIGHT COWBOY   44 PHILADELPHIA STORY, THE   45 SHANE   46 IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT   47 STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A   48 REAR WINDOW   49 INTOLERANCE   50 LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, THE   51 WEST SIDE STORY   52 TAXI DRIVER   53 DEER HUNTER, THE   54 M*A*S*H   55 NORTH BY NORTHWEST   56 JAWS   57 ROCKY   58 GOLD RUSH, THE   59 NASHVILLE   60 DUCK SOUP   61 SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS   62 AMERICAN GRAFFITI   63 CABARET   64 NETWORK   65 AFRICAN QUEEN, THE   66 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK   67 WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF?   68 UNFORGIVEN   69 TOOTSIE   70 CLOCKWORK ORANGE, A   71 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN   72 SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE   73 BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID   74 SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, THE   75 IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT   76 FORREST GUMP   77 ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN   78 MODERN TIMES   79 WILD BUNCH, THE   80 APARTMENT, THE   81 SPARTACUS   82 SUNRISE   83 TITANIC   84 EASY RIDER   85 NIGHT AT THE OPERA, A   86 PLATOON   87 12 ANGRY MEN   88 BRINGING UP BABY   89 SIXTH SENSE, THE   90 SWING TIME   91 SOPHIE'S CHOICE   92 GOODFELLAS   93 FRENCH CONNECTION, THE   94 PULP FICTION   95 LAST PICTURE SHOW, THE   96 DO THE RIGHT THING   97 BLADE RUNNER   98 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY   99 TOY STORY   100 BEN-HUR  |   |   |  In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal. 
  Terry |   |   |  |  Last edited:  by widescreenforever |  
  |  | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 5,459 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  I'm always suspicious of polls like this, cos I get the feeling people tend to vote for the films they feel they should be voting for, rather than the films they enjoyed the most. And what the hell is Titanic doing on there?        |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |    Posts: 21,610 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Doesn't surprise me that Citizen Kane is still number 1 at all. It remains the single best film ever created. I might quibble over the placement of some of the titles in the list but in general, itlooks right to me.
  Skip  |   |   |  ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
  Billy Video |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  | Posts: 4,596 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Quoting northbloke: And what the hell is Titanic doing on there?       I hope they're referring to the 1953 version of the film and not the tripe with Leonardo DeCrapio.  |   |   |  | My WebGenDVD online Collection |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 5,635 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  I can think of no other film that I can watch as repeatedly as I can Citizen Kane. I find the film entertaining, beautiful, and deep with meaning. The history of Welles future as a director and actor was set during this, his first film.
  Definitely my favorite film of all time.  |   |   |  If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
  Cliff |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |    Posts: 582 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
 Quote: [And what the hell is Titanic doing on there?    
     
  I hope they're referring to the 1953 version of the film and not the tripe with Leonardo DeCrapio. There's 3 titles (that I've noticed) for which they don't specify the version.  Titanic, Ben Hur and King Kong.  |   |   |  My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec DVDP Français: Forum DVD Profiler Français DVDCOL:DVD Collectors Online Video: LG RU-42PX10  Audio: Sony DreamSystem DAVFX100W |   |   |  |  Last edited:  by Touti |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  | Posts: 4,596 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Of the Top 100, I own 50 of them.  Guess I'd better get on the ball and get the rest    .  |   |   |  | My WebGenDVD online Collection |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 2,298 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Quoting northbloke: Quote: I'm always suspicious of polls like this, cos I get the feeling people tend to vote for the films they feel they should be voting for, rather than the films they enjoyed the most. Hmm, whilst I tend to agree I know I. for one, really enjoy some films which are absolute trash so, to a certain extent, it would not be correct to vote for ones you enjoyed most but those you thought were 'best'. Quote: And what the hell is Titanic doing on there?  
  For someone who just complained about people not voting for films they enjoyed most, and Titanic  is a film that a lot of people (half the population it seems...) enjoy, I think you're trying to have this both ways!  |   |   |  | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 5,507 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting northbloke: And what the hell is Titanic doing on there?    
     I hope they're referring to the 1953 version of the film and not the tripe with Leonardo DeCrapio. Yup it is the 1997 Titanic, ..,,, I was super surprised that 59's Ben Hur came in so high,, Maybe we are all getting tired of Chuck and his National Rifle stance....  |   |   |  In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal. 
  Terry |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |    Posts: 45 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  I was happy to see "Blade Runner","The Last Picture Show", "12 Angry Men", "All the President's Men", "Nashville", "The General" and "The Shawshank Redemption" get added to the list. 
  I was happy to see "Dances With Wolves", "My Fair Lady", and "An American in Paris" come off of the list.
  Where is "Dog Day Afternoon", "The Sting", "L.A. Confidential", "Touch of Evil", and "Frankenstein"; and why is "The Sixth Sense" the only horror film (unless you count Jaws or Psycho), I can think of 10 more deserving?
  All in all, a pretty good list: I own 75 of them; "Titanic" not being one of them...  |  
  |  | Registered: May 29, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 3,475 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  I watched the show last night, it was interesting to hear actor's commentary on which movies were inspirational or why they loved them. I wonder how the list was formulated - does anyone know who is involved in the voting process? I'm also curious to what the original list of top 100 movies were - does anyone have that list? I own quite a few of the movies that made the list and will be adding more to my collection - as if I needed an excuse to buy more movies!    |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 5,507 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Quoting Kathy: Quote: I watched the show last night, it was interesting to hear actor's commentary on which movies were inspirational or why they loved them. I wonder how the list was formulated - does anyone know who is involved in the voting process? I'm also curious to what the original list of top 100 movies were - does anyone have that list? I own quite a few of the movies that made the list and will be adding more to my collection - as if I needed an excuse to buy more movies!   all the info is here  at this site.., in order to download the list to adobe you have to log in, but I believe you can view them on line.  |   |   |  In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal. 
  Terry |  
  |    | Dan W |  | Registered: May 9, 2002 |  
 | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  | Posts: 980 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  Here is the original list.
 
                                              American Film Institute                               Top 100 American Films Of The 20th Century
                                                    1. "Citizen Kane," 1941                                                    2. "Casablanca," 1942                                                    3. "The Godfather," 1972                                                   4. "Gone With the Wind," 1939                                                    5. "Lawrence of Arabia," 1962 	                                                   6. "The Wizard of Oz," 1939 	                                                   7. "The Graduate," 1967                                                   8. "On the Waterfront," 1954	                                                   9. "Schindler's List," 1993	                                                   10. "Singin' in the Rain," 1952                                                    11. "It's a Wonderful Life," 1946                                                    12. "Sunset Boulevard," 1950                                                   13. "The Bridge on the River Kwai," 1957                                                   14. "Some Like it Hot," 1959                                                    15. "Star Wars," 1977                                                    16. "All About Eve," 1950                                                    17. "The African Queen," 1951                                                   18. "Psycho," 1960                                                    19. "Chinatown," 1974                                                   20. "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest," 1975                                                    21. "The Grapes of Wrath," 1940                                                   22. "2001: A Space Odyssey," 1968                                                   23. "The Maltese Falcon," 1941                                                   24. "Raging Bull," 1980                                                    25. "E.T. ? The Extra?Terrestrial," 1982                                                    26. "Dr. Strangelove," 1964                                                    27. "Bonnie and Clyde," 1967                                                    28. "Apocalypse Now," 1979                                                    29. "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," 1939	                                                   30. "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre," 1948	                                                   31. "Annie Hall," 1977                                                    32. "The Godfather Part II," 1974                                                   33. "High Noon," 1952                                                    34. "To Kill a Mockingbird," 1962                                                    35. "It Happened One Night," 1934                                                    36. "Midnight Cowboy," 1969 	                                                   37. "The Best Years of Our Lives," 1946	                                                   38. "Double Indemnity," 1944 	                                                   39. "Doctor Zhivago," 1965	                                                   40. "North by Northwest," 1959                                                    41. "West Side Story," 1961 	                                                   42. "Rear Window," 1954 	                                                   43. "King Kong," 1933 	                                                   44. "The Birth of a Nation," 1915 	                                                   45. "A Streetcar Named Desire," 1951                                                   46. "A Clockwork Orange," 1971                                                    47. "Taxi Driver," 1976                                                    48. "Jaws," 1975                                                    49. "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," 1937                                                   50. "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," 1969                                                   51. "The Philadelphia Story," 1940 	                                                   52. "From Here to Eternity," 1953	                                                   53. "Amadeus," 1984 	                                                   54. "All Quiet on the Western Front," 1930                                                    55. "The Sound of Music," 1965                                                    56. "M*A*S*H," 1970 	                                                   57. "The Third Man," 1949                                                   58. "Fantasia," 1940                                                   59. "Rebel Without a Cause," 1955                                                    60. "Raiders of the Lost Ark," 1981                                                   61. "Vertigo," 1958                                                    62. "Tootsie," 1982                                                    63. "Stagecoach," 1939	                                                   64. "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," 1977                                                   65. "The Silence of the Lambs," 1991                                                    66. "Network," 1976                                                    67. "The Manchurian Candidate," 1962                                                   68. "An American in Paris," 1951                                                    69. "Shane," 1953 	                                                   70. "The French Connection," 1971                                                   71. "Forrest Gump," 1994                                                    72. "Ben?Hur," 1959                                                    73. "Wuthering Heights," 1939                                                    74. "The Gold Rush," 1925	                                                   75. "Dances With Wolves," 1990	                                                   76. "City Lights," 1931                                                   77. "American Graffiti," 1973                                                   78. "Rocky," 1976                                                    79. "The Deer Hunter," 1978                                                    80. "The Wild Bunch," 1969                                                   81. "Modern Times," 1936                                                   82. "Giant," 1956	                                                   83. "Platoon," 1986 	                                                   84. "Fargo," 1996                                                    85. "Duck Soup," 1933                                                   86. "Mutiny on the Bounty," 1935	                                                   87. "Frankenstein," 1931 	                                                   88. "Easy Rider," 1969 	                                                   89. "Patton," 1970 	                                                   90. "The Jazz Singer," 1927                                                                                                      91. "My Fair Lady," 1964                                                    92. "A Place in the Sun," 1951                                                   93. "The Apartment," 1960	                                                   94. "Goodfellas," 1990 		                                                   95. "Pulp Fiction," 1994                                                   96. "The Searchers," 1956                                                    97. "Bringing Up Baby," 1938                                                    98. "Unforgiven," 1992                                                    99. "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," 1967                                                    100. "Yankee Doodle Dandy," 1942  |   |   |  | Dan W |  
  |    | Dan W |  | Registered: May 9, 2002 |  
 | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  | Posts: 980 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  I think the latest list accurately reflects the opinions of the current members of AFI and a bit of marketing on the part of the studios/DVD companies. Although it's an excellent film, how else can you explain the addition of a title like Sunrise? Until the DVD release, it was a fairly obscure title which very few of us even knew about. If Fox hadn't released this to DVD, it would not be on the latest AFI list either. Just wait till "Wings" is released (same production year and silent too). People have a difficult time voting for a film they have never seen.
  This list is not at all surprising to me and I think it's a reasonable representation of the top 100 American films. Of course, my list would be a bit different but I'm just one person.  |   |   |  | Dan W |  
  |  | Registered: March 28, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 1,299 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  There were 23 removals and additions between the old list and the new. They are:
  REMOVED All Quiet on the Western Front Amadeus An American in Paris The Birth of a Nation Close Encounters of the Third Kind Dances with Wolves Doctor Zhivago Fantasia Fargo Frankenstein From Here to Eternity Giant Guess Who's Coming to Dinner The Jazz Singer The Manchurian Candidate Mutiny on the Bounty My Fair Lady Patton A Place in the Sun Rebel Without a Cause Stagecoach The Third Man Wuthering Heights
  ADDED 12 Angry Men All the Presidents Men Blade Runner Cabaret Do the Right Thing The General In the Heat of the Night Intolerance The Last Picture Show Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Nashville A Night at the Opera Saving Private Ryan The Shawshank Redemption The Sixth Sense Sophie's Choice Spartacus Sullivan's Travels Sunrise Swing Time Titanic Toy Story Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?  |   |   |  Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS! Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles. You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. |   |   |  |  Last edited:  by Astrakan |  
  |  | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Reputation:   |    Posts: 3,321 |  
  | | Posted:  |  |   |   |  It looks like I have about 50 of those.  I have no problem with most of the changes.  It's only some people's opinions, not an exact science.  If they did it again next month, I'd expect the list to change slightly.  And it's been 10 years.  |   |   |  Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |  
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