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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: Bah, you're right, it won't work with a blind import.
Pitty I don't have a way to query the cast/crew database directory though ODBC/JDBC, I would then be able to identify any headshot that had not been changed and delete it. Then the blind import would work.
It would also make the distribution files smaller - have a baseline version and then updates. Don't think so. - In the example of Surfeur you get two contributions from two different sources (C1 and C6) with different quality. Any preprocessing can't avoid that the later import overwrites the prior one - regardless which one ist better... Regards, AA | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
Quote: Bah, you're right, it won't work with a blind import.
Pitty I don't have a way to query the cast/crew database directory though ODBC/JDBC, I would then be able to identify any headshot that had not been changed and delete it. Then the blind import would work.
It would also make the distribution files smaller - have a baseline version and then updates. Don't think so. - In the example of Surfeur you get two contributions from two different sources (C1 and C6) with different quality. Any preprocessing can't avoid that the later import overwrites the prior one - regardless which one ist better...
Regards, AA and in the worst case - the original very poor one doesn't get replaced at all so that overwrites the picture and puts it right back where it was. | | | Paul |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 113 |
| Posted: | | | | Splitting 1 maga-file seems to be the only way for now. Maybe a feature request would be necessary to add an option which enables to clean up the database and delete all photos imported prior to a specific date (e.g. release date). This solution would work. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, you would see things go a LOT faster if the contributers assign all updated cast/crew to a manual profile and then send me a database with only that manual profile and all cast/crew removed that aren't assigned to a profile.
I'll take submissions like that up until I validate BY's (last step). |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 113 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes but it is almost impossible for a user to determine manually over all head shots in its database, which ones have been updated and would need a new contribution.
The same feature request would help us all to strip older head shots in the database before sending you our contribution.
One simple rule that could help us all and specifically you, is to tell everybody to accept the new picture when comparing two similar head shots. It would reset the timestamp in all the databases and prevent a re-comparison to everybody in the future. | | | Last edited: by Sebastien |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | Yup - that's why I asked people to import everything when I first released v3. By far, didn't happen. So accepting everything that's similar will go a long way to help!
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 113 |
| Posted: | | | | It is difficult to make it happen because it implies accepting everything with a blind faith. It was your first release and there was no complete compilation of user databases yet. So, most of the people who didn't upload its database would have lost many hours of work using the import process you suggested. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm getting pretty close to finishing importing the last headshot database. Sorry Surfur, your last one won't be imported in v4, it's simply taking too long to process these and I won't be able to complete it by the 2nd of July if I import yours (heading out on vacation on the 3rd). I thought I'd give some pointers on how I evaluate headshots.... Here, both high quality headshots. The one on the right is accepted because a more recent photo will be accepted over one depicting them from a younger age. The only exception to this is if the actor or actress hasn't been in any movie since their younger photograph was taken. This should be documented with your contribution. When I evaluate the headshots, I have to decide which photo makes a better headshot. Here, the right photo is the better headshot even though it's much smaller. Though if the left photo was cropped no lower than the lower ribcage, it would have been accepted. Here is an example of an over crop. A lot of the headshots I'm reviewing is of the same photo, just cropped closer to the face. In this case, the left shot is a perfect headshot. A headshot is also known as a bust shot and shouldn't crop right around the head. | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with example 2 and 3. But I totally disagree with the first one. Taking the older photo is not, for me, the right choice. The best age for a headshot should be the middle one in the career of the actor.
BTW, the work on my last version is illustrated by example 2 where I cropped dozens of photos like the left one. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 113 |
| Posted: | | | | I tend to agree with all 3 examples. About the first one, I think it s more a matter of preference. But in general, recent photos are better than older photos, they are more available and it is easier to pick a good head shot candidate with these pictures. If the actor has an active career and is gettin older, why rejecting a good and recent picture? |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Sebastien: Quote: ... But in general, recent photos are better than older photos, they are more available and it is easier to pick a good head shot candidate with these pictures. If the actor has an active career and is gettin older, why rejecting a good and recent picture? My position is about photos of the same quality (which is the case in example 1). We have many cases where an actor (actress) had a well known career, than finished with some cameos. A photo of the older film is not representative of his (her) career; For example, for Gloria Swanson, will you take a photo of her in Sunset Blvd (1950), or in Airport 75 (1975) ? And Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes (1968) or Planet of the Apes (2001) ??? | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | That's exactly why I take the most recent headshot of an actor or actress. People aren't going to agree which photo at what stage in their carrier is better as we can already see here. It's cut-n-clear vs speculative.
Surfer, if you submit after importing v4, your work will still be preserved for v5. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I was considering debating if cameos should be considered part of the persons career and if the majority agreed it shouldn't, then the younger photo would be taken with documentation. But then I realized that someone later could submit a more recent photo of them without any mention of it and I would accept it. | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Surfer, if you submit after importing v4, your work will still be preserved for v5. No problem about that. I make a monthly update of my database, always at the same address (thanks to Cyrille), so you always can take the newest one. I'm far more worried about your decision to take older photos, that will make our databases differ notably (I really can't accept that solution for mine). | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | LOL, Doc, btu I would prefer the younger photograph Angela Lansbury, but then i build my own so.... Just couldn't resist, I enjoyed the chuckle. Probably has something to do with age. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm now confirming all Birth Years in the Cast/Crew database. | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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