Quoting Skywatcher:

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The first Blu-Rays in Japan, were from a different format than the one that ended up being the final one.
Their discs were inside cartridges (A la DVD-RAM), but that option was abandoned as soon as a resistant enough layer was achieved in order to effectively protect the data (the data layer in HD formats is much nearer the bottom surface of the disc when compared to CD/DVD).
Manufacturers always assumed it was a temporary format only, because the manufacturing costs and loss of flexibility/comfort by the user would make it commercially not viable.

We can only speak of true Blu-Ray definitive format from about the same time of the final HD-DVD format (that also had some previous incarnations, although none of them commercially available).

So, they are kind of "tied" in terms of definitive format market dates (although yes, some japanese had been having access to HD contents in blu-ray before)

That was not a different format.  That's why it's still called Blu-ray.  Another format would have to be called something else (in much the same way the HD DVD can have a 45GB TL disc added to the format with out it being a new format...although they have yet to materialize).

The cartridge was to protect the disc from being dmamged because it did not have a hard coating to protect the surface of disc (like they do now).  Now, Blu-ray discs are the most durable discs on the consumer market due to that hard coating.

Movie studio insiders have said 1080p movies are so close to master that this is probably the last time they can offer an upgrade in PQ and AQ. 

Quick question:

Keeping that in mind, why would movie studios such as Disney, Fox, and Lionsgate want to go to a format that is COMPLETELY compromised unless there is absolutely no choice?  They would be losing billions of dollars in potential revenue from piracy and not being able to create a new reason (like better PQ and AQ) for buying into another format.  That was for the rational business minded people out there.


HD DVD (Toshiba) is at the price of those supposed cheap Chinese players for Wal-Mart ($200).  Let's see if they can desperately try to move 1 to 2 million players they were talking about.

In other news, you can get a Laserdisc player on Ebay for $15.  That's a great price!

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Quoting Skywatcher:

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The first Blu-Rays in Japan, were from a different format than the one that ended up being the final one.
Their discs were inside cartridges (A la DVD-RAM), but that option was abandoned as soon as a resistant enough layer was achieved in order to effectively protect the data (the data layer in HD formats is much nearer the bottom surface of the disc when compared to CD/DVD).
Manufacturers always assumed it was a temporary format only, because the manufacturing costs and loss of flexibility/comfort by the user would make it commercially not viable.

We can only speak of true Blu-Ray definitive format from about the same time of the final HD-DVD format (that also had some previous incarnations, although none of them commercially available).

So, they are kind of "tied" in terms of definitive format market dates (although yes, some japanese had been having access to HD contents in blu-ray before)

That was not a different format.  That's why it's still called Blu-ray.  Another format would have to be called something else (in much the same way the HD DVD can have a 45GB TL disc added to the format with out it being a new format...although they have yet to materialize).

The cartridge was to protect the disc from being dmamged because it did not have a hard coating to protect the surface of disc (like they do now).  Now, Blu-ray discs are the most durable discs on the consumer market due to that hard coating.

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

Quoting Ken Cole:

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DVD = dead pac-man? OMG!

Nah, just sleepin...

Quoting FunkyLA:

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BluRay discs are hacked as well

Either HD or BR are not perfect, and I am sure that they are not the last format to exsist

There will always be "new" tech....

I look forward to the day when I can by a totaly region free disc, for one (HD can go region locked)

Also, a day when there is no stupid protection on the discs (After all, even when they issue new keys, they get broken before the discs are released)

A disc - 1 format - either HD, BR or The Next Big Thing

Why would I want either of this? Because, if there was a) no region and b) no protection, then the money the film companies would save "might" mean cheaper products for alll

Mind you, nice to see that they are talking about "fair use" copies - note this, I do not agree with piracy, hence the collection of DVD's that I own

And the next development? Who knows.... we shall see

No bias, no secret agenda, no need to care

The point was that HD DVD one has 1 layer of protect.  That 1 layer was compromised.  Blu-ray has 3 layers that can be implemented (only 2 have been implemented so far).  1 layer has been compromised.

That's huge for movie studios.  We all know how most of them are very much against piracy.  'Nuff said.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Content is King.  We all know what side has the content.

Blu-ray's wonderful "Hmm... maybe we'll throw a trailer on this disc" releases?

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Quoting FunkyLA:

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BluRay discs are hacked as well

Either HD or BR are not perfect, and I am sure that they are not the last format to exsist

There will always be "new" tech....

I look forward to the day when I can by a totaly region free disc, for one (HD can go region locked)

Also, a day when there is no stupid protection on the discs (After all, even when they issue new keys, they get broken before the discs are released)

A disc - 1 format - either HD, BR or The Next Big Thing

Why would I want either of this? Because, if there was a) no region and b) no protection, then the money the film companies would save "might" mean cheaper products for alll

Mind you, nice to see that they are talking about "fair use" copies - note this, I do not agree with piracy, hence the collection of DVD's that I own

And the next development? Who knows.... we shall see

No bias, no secret agenda, no need to care

The point was that HD DVD one has 1 layer of protect.  That 1 layer was compromised.  Blu-ray has 3 layers that can be implemented (only 2 have been implemented so far).  1 layer has been compromised.

That's huge for movie studios.  We all know how most of them are very much against piracy.  'Nuff said.

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

I picked up an HD DVD Xbox add-on and some discs in the past week and I'm now really depressed. Not because I have buyers remorse, but because DVDs look awful now!

My plan is to only buy titles I don't have on DVD and only double dip on titles that really benefit from the added detail, but I know I'm gonna find myself slipping from that policy more and more as I find it harder and harder to watch SD DVD.

As for the war - personally I don't see much in the way of blu-ray exclusives yet. My method was to add all exclusives to my profiler wishlist and see which camp had more of the kind of films I would buy, BD faired very poorly, with currently only 3 or 4 titles I would really want, and a couple more I might consider double dipping for. It's not that Universal's catalogue is ostensibly better than the Sony/Fox catalogue, its just that Fox don't seem to want to release anything, and Sony just want to release garbage.

Being an avid gamer I will probably eventually pick up a PS3 (at a decent price and once they have some games worth buying it for) and then start collecting some BD, but being in the UK I will have to stick to UK releases only 

Here's to the "HD DVD, Blu-ray, upscaling DVD, multi region for every format, stand alone mega-player for $400" of the future!