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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote: v4 added much more invalid birth years as the 2 you mentioned. Krista Allen and Bruce Willis are 2 I remember. It took a while to clean them out again, but hey, I got a whole lot of improved images. I'm still busy cleaning up again as well - for the umpteenth time, that is. Since the last time, I've actually started maintaining a simple TXT-file with the birth years that I've personally verified, so the cleaning up process is a bit easier this time around. I still don't understand why these unnecessary birth years keep turning up time and time again. Another unnecessary birth year I've just spotted is director Stephen Frears. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,946 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting cvermeylen:
Quote: I prepared an addendum to v4. Good, but Tutte Lemkow now has a picture of Peter Wyngarde, and Kenneth McMillan has a picture of Ian McNeice. Thanks for the info T!M. I made a version 2 of my addendum where the 3 errors are corrected. As soon as it is posted, I will update the link. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,946 |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | Please note that with the exception of multiple cast/crew with the same exact name but different birth years, I validated every BY against Invelos's database. They are valid. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,946 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: Please note that with the exception of multiple cast/crew with the same exact name but different birth years, I validated every BY against Invelos's database. They are valid. Are you sure? After the database import, I had a birthyear for Bruce Willis. I removed the birthyear, and refreshed a profile of one of the Die Hard movies. If the birthyear was accepted, it should have returned, but it didn't. Other than that, a big thank you, because I got a lot of good quality images | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: Please note that with the exception of multiple cast/crew with the same exact name but different birth years, I validated every BY against Invelos's database. They are valid. Not from where I'm standing... Indeed take Bruce Willis, or director Stephen Frears, or John Cleese for the umpteenth time - these are not valid birth years, yet they're included in the headshot master database. There may well be some unnecessary birth years already accepted into Invelos's database, but that doesn't make them "valid". Maybe a few somehow slipped through, but those should be weeded out, not propagated further. Ideally, I'd like the headshot master database to only use the documented birth years from the forum's pinned "accepted birth years"-thread, and no others whatsoever. For the record: you've done absolutely excellent work here - many thanks! This is just something I'm very wary about: I try to keep my database 100% clean of unnecessary birth years, and every time I import such a headshot collection, I find myself having to clean them all up again. And it's not just that: including an unnecessary birth year in this headshot master database is about the best way to propagate it further throughout the database - you'll understand how that is a worrying prospect. The hundreds of users that have downloaded this collection, will all have to manually remove these birth years from their collections again - how many will actually do that? I'm very much afraid that it will lead to further propagation of these incorrect birth years. Bottom line: there is just one John Cleese, there is just one Stephen Frears, and there is just one Bruce Willis. Invelos may have erroneously accepted these, but they're still not valid, and they should be weeded out instead of being propagated further. I strongly urge everyone to remove these from their local database, and I would also hope that you'll remove them from future headshot master database updates. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Still busy cleaning up: after the previously reported Krista Allen, Bruce Willis, John Cleese and Stephen Frears I can now also report invalid/unnecessary birth years for Liz May Brice, Steve Buscemi, Nick Chinlund, Robert De Niro and Tom Everett. Another one seems to be Kathy Bates. IMDb does show a second Kathy Bates ( link), which MIGHT create a need for a birth year if it is accurate, but while there is indeed a 'Kwoon' profile in the database, it does not include a Kathy Bates. So as of yet, all 796 'Kathy Bates' entries in our database refer to one and the same actress, so there's no need for a birth year. For the record: I came across a few valid, but as of yet undocumented, birth years as well - I've added these to the pinned birth years thread. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,946 |
| Posted: | | | | Here are some alternative instructions to create a small and quick to process Headshot database.
Add a manual profile to your database Add by title - deselect "Download profile from Invelos". Call the profile Headshots
When you update a headshot, add it to the Headshots profile (for crew, just use director for every member, don't loose your time by selecting the correct role).
When you are done. Make a full backup of your database.
Create a new database, called HMDB.
Open de new database, and perform a restore with the folowing options: Select "Restore Specific Profiles" and select only the Headshots profile. Deselect "Replace Full User Database"
Perform a database repair with the following options: Select "Custom" Deselect "Preserve cast/crew with images"
This will remove all castmembers except those attached to the Headshots profile.
Now perform a database backup and select only "Include cast/crew databases, with photos".
This results in a very small update that is quick to process. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris | | | Last edited: by cvermeylen |
| Registered: April 4, 2007 | Posts: 884 |
| Posted: | | | | yeah, that's what I've been doing too @posted addendum It seems to me this does have a lot more alternative shots than have been mentioned and unfortunately quite a few of them are of lower standard than the existing ones. Overall though it was a very nice addition to my headshot database and has improved yet another bunch of shots | | | - Jan |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | More invalid birth years: Laurence Fishburne, Stephen Fry, Tom Hanks, Lance Henriksen, Charlton Heston and Samuel L. Jackson.
Also, in of these updates (not sure which one, sorry!), the actor Ian Fleming with birth year 1888 has a picture of James Bond writer Ian Fleming (born in 1908). The Ian Fleming with 1908 birth year DOES have the correct one, of course. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,946 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: More invalid birth years: Laurence Fishburne, Stephen Fry, Tom Hanks, Lance Henriksen, Charlton Heston and Samuel L. Jackson.
Also, in of these updates (not sure which one, sorry!), the actor Ian Fleming with birth year 1888 has a picture of James Bond writer Ian Fleming (born in 1908). The Ian Fleming with 1908 birth year DOES have the correct one, of course. The Ian Fleming error doesn't come from Dr. Killpatients v4 or my addendum. I only have 1 Ian Fleming without BY and correct image, and I applied v4 as well. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris | | | Last edited: by cvermeylen |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | What would be the best way to go about getting the BY's cleaned up in Invelos's database? If Invelos says they are good, I accept them as being good. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: What would be the best way to go about getting the BY's cleaned up in Invelos's database? If Invelos says they are good, I accept them as being good. I wish Ken would tell us, 'cause I really don't know. I just know that the people I mentioned in my previous posts, including the likes of John Cleese and Robert De Niro, definitely do not need birth years. Unfortunately, there's one or two users who succeed in somehow getting them into the database - maybe Invelos doesn't really check the birth years in new contributions, but only in updates to existing profiles? That's the only possible explanation I can think of that would explain how all these "big names" got their birth years in... Again: you're obviously not to blame - you've checked which ones were accepted and which ones were not, and you've left in all birth years that have been accepted by Invelos. That's perfectly understandable - doing that check is already tedious enough, I imagine - but unfortunately it doesn't make them right... Worse: by including them in the Headshot Master Database, you're even spreading these incorrect birth years further. I'm just pointing this out because I want my contributions to follow the rules, and the rules just don't allow me to contribute a Robert De Niro entry with a birth year, since there is absolutely no need for it. I do understand that it's not so much your problem - Ken needs to look at the way birth years are accepted himself. Going by what has slipped through, the current system just doesn't work. I don't know how he should fix this, but it's definitely something he has to look into. Purely for the purposes of this Headshot Master Database, my suggestion would be to ONLY include birth years that have been documented in the forum's pinned "List of Accepted Birth Years with Documentation"-thread, and not a single other one. Again: there were a few valid birth years in here, too, and I've been adding those to that thread. But any others, especially this list of "big names" that somehow slipped through, really should be removed. Edit: I've made a post in the "feature request" forum to outline these problems to Ken. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Posts: 158 |
| Posted: | | | | I would agree with those who don't like the rule about the most recent shot available trumping the earlier ones. Given that with one headshot you are going to get strange results for players with lengthy careers, I'd rather have the young Sean Connery in Entrapment than the old Sean Connery in Doctor No; the young Catherine Deneuve in 8 Women than the old Catherine Deneuve in Belle de Jour; the young Danielle Darrieux in Persepolis than the old Danielle Darrieux in The Rage of Paris; the young Frank Langella in Dave than the old Frank Langella in Dracula (or Diary of a Mad Housewife, if it ever gets to DVD); simlarly concerning Robert Loggia, Shelley Winters, Angela Lansbury, etc. I think any age in which the player's career was going strong should be fair game.
Is anybody ever going to get a picture of Kent Smith? With that name it's impossible to find anything with the built-in web search facility. Guess I'll have to grab a screen shot at some point. Lessee, Cat People or The Invaders...? |
| Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,299 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS! Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles. You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 16 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: More invalid birth years: Laurence Fishburne, Stephen Fry, Tom Hanks, Lance Henriksen, Charlton Heston and Samuel L. Jackson.
Also, in of these updates (not sure which one, sorry!), the actor Ian Fleming with birth year 1888 has a picture of James Bond writer Ian Fleming (born in 1908). The Ian Fleming with 1908 birth year DOES have the correct one, of course.
The Ian Fleming error doesn't come from Dr. Killpatients v4 or my addendum. I only have 1 Ian Fleming without BY and correct image, and I applied v4 as well. This is something that I did notice when doing imports. If you do have more than one person with a BY (e.g. James Brown 1920/1933) There areve two issues (bugs): - Import a new DVD which has the actor without a BY. => The actor will be linked with the person beeing the oldes. In this case James Brown BY 1920. - If you do import a backup (e.g. the headshot database) from an export where the person did not have a BY the picture will always be compared with the actor beeing the oldest. And the same does apply to the Cast/Crew. (So again James Brown 1920) I found at the moment for myself the following solution: Every person that needs a BY to distinguish between different persons does get an entry with the BY 1000 so that I can manually correct those profiles. In additon it does make handling the ones easier that do not have a correct BY at the moment. They do get BY 1001 , 1002 and so on. | | | Olaf EuroBillTracker Where is your Euro now ? IVS Registered: January 25, 2002 |
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