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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FunkyLA: Quote:
Quoting Erik:
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The Last Starfighter.
OOOOOOHHHhhhhhhh
Shiny I'm SO in line to buy that HD-DVD. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
HD DVD doesnt have MPEG2 movie transfers you moron! So 25GB BD discs vs 30GB hd dvd discs is totally irrelevant. If you would actually pay attention to what is written, my statement was letting you know that there are compromises for HD DVD using 30GB discs with VC-1. If HD DVD is using 30GB discs and running into bandwidth and/or space limitations with VC-1, do you think a single layer BD would be better or worse with 5GB less space using MPEG-2? That's was my statement was saying. You took my statement and ran into left field with it. Do you understand what I'm saying to you NOW? Therefore, 25GB BDs vs. 30GB HD DVD discs ARE relevant when all important elements are introduced. What's below moron? I think it's stefc.  Quote:
The point is you dribble on about BD PQ being way ahead of HD DVD, yet choose to ignore that there are many BD titles with very poor MPEG2 video tracks, and the fact that there are STILL MPEG2 discs being made. There are some MPEG-2 transfers that are as poor as the recent waves of Universal releases according to the ratings. You choose to ignore that FACT that there are MPEG-2 transfers with some of the HIGHEST PQ ratings a film can have ( Tears of the Sun, Crank, Dreamgirls, The Covenant, Mission Impossible III, Big Fish, Layer Cake, Black Rain, Catch & Release, Enemy of the State, Happily N'Ever After, John Legend: Live at the House of Blues, Invincible, Kingdom of Heaven, Men of Honor, etc.). MPEG-2 is just not as efficient as AVC or VC-1. That means it takes more space and higher bandwidth to accomplish the same quality (so there won't be any misunderstanding about this statement...like last time). Try to remember that. Quote:
Try not to quote meaningless phrases from Sony Press Releases, in fact stop reading sony press releases altogether. You obviously didn't go beyond the first page. There were dozens of pages of links to things other than a Sony Press Release. Try to be more thorough. Quote:
What "master" is Martin Campbell talking about then? The film? No because saying a 1080p compressed video is identical to a 35mm film master would be retarded. The 2K digital master? Big deal, most good HD transfers would qualify for this statement in most situations, regardless of format. All you can hope for is to be transparent to the 2K master being using now. Warner hasn't gone to 4K masters, yet. They are currently in the process of making them, but they are not in use for their transfers. If they start making 1440p transfers for the 1440p HDTVs coming out soon, do you think HD DVD would be able to handle that as well. Hell, they are barely handling 1080p and that's with compromises. Quote:
Because there is no commercial 7.1 movie sound format. There are a small amount of 6.1 films, but no 7.1 movies. Again I suggest you learn a bit more about movies before you try to "educate" movie lovers about them.  I'm talking about home movies here (consumer products). I have three BD movies with 7.1 lossless surround that I can play on my 7.1 setup. Where are HD DVD's 7.1 movies? That's what I thought. Quote:
Again, what you have typed is not english, and again TrueHD and DTS-MA are LOSSLESS codecs. You will figure it out some day. Too late...already there. Quote:
More selective arguments. Warner are playing favorites because they dont release interactive titles on BD because the format is still not finished and bd java doesnt work, yet Fox not releasing titles because the copy protection is still not finished is fine with you? Prove BD-J doesn't work. You are spouting BS and probably because BD-J runs slower on some BD players. Running slower on some machines doesn't mean BD-J doesn't work. I play my BD-J titles perfectly on my PS3. Quote:
Again you are so full of cowpie, my monitor stinks from displaying your text. The BS comes from the person that isn't backing up their information. That would be you. Quote:
How about you google the word lossless, you'll find in every definition applicable to our topic, it is used to describe compression, and not to describe something being identical to something else. Here are some definitions of LOSSLESS, through Google, that describe something other than what you said. Not losing any data/information.characterized by or causing no dissipation of energyTHAT'S why I said it CAN imply compression. Quote:
I love the way you claim you know more about audio codecs than anyone here, yet you still think that a 4.6Mbps LPCM must be better than a 3Mbps TrueHD tracks because 4.6 > 3 !!! Your stupidity can border on comical at times! AGAIN, you can't seem to read and understand. I NEVER said that I know more about audio codecs than anyone here (that's probably just the voices in your head). I also NEVER said 4.6Mbps LPCM MUST be better than 3Mbps TrueHD tracks because 4.6 > 3. If so, quote it for EVERYONE to see. You might want to have a mental evaluation and soon. Your ability to take different meanings from what was written is truly AMAZING. Quote:
P.S. As I said before, your behaviour in this forum is so ignorant... I think you are talking about your own behavior. Who provoked responses from me by attacking? I attack those that attack...period. Don't attack and you won't be attacked. It's just that simple. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Need I say more (I'm sure I will have to).
Ya know what dude? I'm a big fan of Blu-Ray. If I have to chose between a movie in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, I will always pick Blu-Ray.
But your condescending tone and arrogance would have pushed me towards HD-DVD if I hadn't already made my choice because my dislike of you would have started to rub off onto the Blu-Ray format.
Think on that. Why did you join in on the reindeer games and join the witch hunt? I believe I left you alone until that point. At this point, if people want to lose their money on HD DVD, I say go for it. It's not my money going down the toilet. I ran tons of scenarios between the two before deciding. I tried to take into account everything a consumer could consider. I knew I picked the winner from the day I decided to go Blu-ray. The others said I was wrong and here we are 8+ months later. The more HD DVD falls the more bitter and deaf they become. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Why did you join in on the reindeer games and join the witch hunt? I believe I left you alone until that point. You totally missed my point. |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Why did you join in on the reindeer games and join the witch hunt? I believe I left you alone until that point.
You totally missed my point. After 41 pages, do you really think they ever will?  | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
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Prove BD-J doesn't work. You said yourself the PIP part of it doesn't work, and even after the supposed Oct. 31 update, older players still won't be able to play it. HD DVD has been able to do this since Day One. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting stefc:
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HD DVD doesnt have MPEG2 movie transfers you moron! So 25GB BD discs vs 30GB hd dvd discs is totally irrelevant.
If you would actually pay attention to what is written, my statement was letting you know that there are compromises for HD DVD using 30GB discs with VC-1. If HD DVD is using 30GB discs and running into bandwidth and/or space limitations with VC-1, do you think a single layer BD would be better or worse with 5GB less space using MPEG-2? That's was my statement was saying. You took my statement and ran into left field with it. Do you understand what I'm saying to you NOW?
Therefore, 25GB BDs vs. 30GB HD DVD discs ARE relevant when all important elements are introduced. What's below moron? I think it's stefc.
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The point is you dribble on about BD PQ being way ahead of HD DVD, yet choose to ignore that there are many BD titles with very poor MPEG2 video tracks, and the fact that there are STILL MPEG2 discs being made.
There are some MPEG-2 transfers that are as poor as the recent waves of Universal releases according to the ratings. You choose to ignore that FACT that there are MPEG-2 transfers with some of the HIGHEST PQ ratings a film can have (Tears of the Sun, Crank, Dreamgirls, The Covenant, Mission Impossible III, Big Fish, Layer Cake, Black Rain, Catch & Release, Enemy of the State, Happily N'Ever After, John Legend: Live at the House of Blues, Invincible, Kingdom of Heaven, Men of Honor, etc.).
MPEG-2 is just not as efficient as AVC or VC-1. That means it takes more space and higher bandwidth to accomplish the same quality (so there won't be any misunderstanding about this statement...like last time). Try to remember that.
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Try not to quote meaningless phrases from Sony Press Releases, in fact stop reading sony press releases altogether.
You obviously didn't go beyond the first page. There were dozens of pages of links to things other than a Sony Press Release. Try to be more thorough.
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What "master" is Martin Campbell talking about then? The film? No because saying a 1080p compressed video is identical to a 35mm film master would be retarded. The 2K digital master? Big deal, most good HD transfers would qualify for this statement in most situations, regardless of format.
All you can hope for is to be transparent to the 2K master being using now. Warner hasn't gone to 4K masters, yet. They are currently in the process of making them, but they are not in use for their transfers.
If they start making 1440p transfers for the 1440p HDTVs coming out soon, do you think HD DVD would be able to handle that as well. Hell, they are barely handling 1080p and that's with compromises.
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Because there is no commercial 7.1 movie sound format. There are a small amount of 6.1 films, but no 7.1 movies. Again I suggest you learn a bit more about movies before you try to "educate" movie lovers about them.
I'm talking about home movies here (consumer products). I have three BD movies with 7.1 lossless surround that I can play on my 7.1 setup. Where are HD DVD's 7.1 movies? That's what I thought.
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Again, what you have typed is not english, and again TrueHD and DTS-MA are LOSSLESS codecs. You will figure it out some day.
Too late...already there.
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More selective arguments. Warner are playing favorites because they dont release interactive titles on BD because the format is still not finished and bd java doesnt work, yet Fox not releasing titles because the copy protection is still not finished is fine with you?
Prove BD-J doesn't work. You are spouting BS and probably because BD-J runs slower on some BD players. Running slower on some machines doesn't mean BD-J doesn't work. I play my BD-J titles perfectly on my PS3.
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Again you are so full of cowpie, my monitor stinks from displaying your text.
The BS comes from the person that isn't backing up their information. That would be you.
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How about you google the word lossless, you'll find in every definition applicable to our topic, it is used to describe compression, and not to describe something being identical to something else.
Here are some definitions of LOSSLESS, through Google, that describe something other than what you said.
Not losing any data/information.
characterized by or causing no dissipation of energy
THAT'S why I said it CAN imply compression.
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I love the way you claim you know more about audio codecs than anyone here, yet you still think that a 4.6Mbps LPCM must be better than a 3Mbps TrueHD tracks because 4.6 > 3 !!! Your stupidity can border on comical at times!
AGAIN, you can't seem to read and understand. I NEVER said that I know more about audio codecs than anyone here (that's probably just the voices in your head). I also NEVER said 4.6Mbps LPCM MUST be better than 3Mbps TrueHD tracks because 4.6 > 3. If so, quote it for EVERYONE to see. You might want to have a mental evaluation and soon.
Your ability to take different meanings from what was written is truly AMAZING.
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P.S. As I said before, your behaviour in this forum is so ignorant...
I think you are talking about your own behavior. Who provoked responses from me by attacking? I attack those that attack...period. Don't attack and you won't be attacked. It's just that simple. Blah, blah, blah, blah... | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Need I say more (I'm sure I will have to).
Ya know what dude? I'm a big fan of Blu-Ray. If I have to chose between a movie in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, I will always pick Blu-Ray.
But your condescending tone and arrogance would have pushed me towards HD-DVD if I hadn't already made my choice because my dislike of you would have started to rub off onto the Blu-Ray format.
Think on that.
Why did you join in on the reindeer games and join the witch hunt? I believe I left you alone until that point.
At this point, if people want to lose their money on HD DVD, I say go for it. It's not my money going down the toilet. I ran tons of scenarios between the two before deciding. I tried to take into account everything a consumer could consider. I knew I picked the winner from the day I decided to go Blu-ray. The others said I was wrong and here we are 8+ months later. The more HD DVD falls the more bitter and deaf they become. Blah, blah, blah, blah... | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Why did you join in on the reindeer games and join the witch hunt? I believe I left you alone until that point.
You totally missed my point. If it was something I missed in the last 7 sentences of my response post, please tell me your point. Seriously. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
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Prove BD-J doesn't work.
You said yourself the PIP part of it doesn't work, and even after the supposed Oct. 31 update, older players still won't be able to play it. HD DVD has been able to do this since Day One. Everything that has been implemented works. At this time, that is BD-J 1.0. But, like I said before, I have 3 titles that take advantage of PiP (Crank, Dragon's Lair, and Descent). That tells me the PiP could be on Blu-ray without implementing BD-J 1.1. It's up to the studios to do the work. Plus, HD DVD did have PiP from day one, but it's not complete either. A proper implementation on PiP (according to the specs on both sides) is to be able to decode two HD video streams. No HD DVD player can properly fulfill that task. The processors are not fast enough to handle that on either side (except the PS3 and maybe the Pioneer Elite). Only a new set of HD DVD players would be able to do that. That's part of the reason the BDA has not implemented BD-J 1.1. Another reason BD-J 1.1 players were not implemented from the beginning would be the addition cost. The BDA was able to get costs down to the point where the Samsung BD-P1200 can be had for $499 + S&H. That's one of the top of the line BD players! After July 1, any BD player bought will be a mail-in offer of 5 FREE Blu-ray movies. That offer even covers the PS3! If you buy the Panasonic BD player for $599, you get 10 FREE Blu-ray movies (5 packaged with the player and 5 on the mail-in offer). The Toshiba HD-XA2 is sold (at that same store) for $599. And the Samsung BD player has more features. Plus, it outputs at 1080p/24Hz. That's something NO HD DVD player can currently do. Timing these things out works well for the BDA and keeps costs down for consumers. The initial cost advantage of a HD DVD player is fast disappearing and the Chinese BD players are on the way. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
If it was something I missed in the last 7 sentences of that post, please tell me your point. Let me repeat what I said before. Quote:
Ya know what dude? I'm a big fan of Blu-Ray. If I have to chose between a movie in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, I will always pick Blu-Ray.
But your condescending tone and arrogance would have pushed me towards HD-DVD if I hadn't already made my choice because my dislike of you would have started to rub off onto the Blu-Ray format. My point: You're trying to convince everyone that your way is the right way and everyone who goes against your views is wrong (putting it lightly, you used stronger words). In doing so, you're having the opposite effect than what you are trying to do - instead of bringing people to your side, you're pushing them away. Do you understand my point now? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dr. K .... save your breath. It's like talking to a brick. A really thick brick  |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | This space intentionally left blank. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 360 |
| | Posted: | | | | How old are you Ascended? Are you a child? My 4 year old nephew has the same type of reasoning and mind set that you do. He is adament when making a point and says because I said so all the time. Just like you do with this Blu Ray crap that you are force feeding down out throats. Does your mommy know you are on the computer?
Please Please Please... Leave the marketing of Blu Ray to the big people in the suits and go outside and play in traffic like a nice little boy. | | | | Last edited: by Bill MacNeill |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Why did you join in on the reindeer games and join the witch hunt? I believe I left you alone until that point.
You totally missed my point.
If it was something I missed in the last 7 sentences of my response post, please tell me your point. Seriously. Blah, blah, blah, blah... | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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