Hal:

That's not what Gerri said.

"Just as with titles, when having to alter cast or crew because they are listed in all capitals, use capitialization rules standard to the language of the cast/crew member's name or nationality."

There is nothing there to back up what you have said. Understand I am not disagreeing with you and i hope you are right. But Gerri did not say that.<shrugs> What she said is closer to what my "transaltion"

Skip

And according to what Gerri said, that ignorance should receive a No vote, which I vehemently oppose but...she's the boss or one of them.

BTW Hal. just so you understand I think you and I are on the same page, but I don't think we have that kind of wiggle room.

I would also say the change should not be made to Credited As but through the Alias system, which they have previously allowed for. IF I can document say 88 Francois and 14 François and can document that for that individual François=Francois then we should make the common name François, but that a different issue

Skip

Still sounds way too messy to me, hal, and the wrong answer.<shrugs>

Skip

Thank you again. Gerri.

I guess these people have taught me not to try and read more than i see. I still think this better handled through the Alias system however as opposed to Credited As, it represents data that does not appear On screen but is inferred and may not in fact be correctly inferred.

Skip

Quoting Gerri Cole:

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You should not give out a NO vote if it does not follow the nationality rules unless it is undoing where someone has already corrected it. If you dont know any better, then do what you know. If people want to vote No to that, I would expect a detailed explanation why and a subsequent contribution to make the correct changes.

Some people are interpretting it a little too literally. My clarification was to allow people the freedom to use the nationality rules if they know them. If they don't, just making capital letters small is still perfectly acceptable.

-Gerri

Makes perfect sense to me!

Thanks, Gerri.

Tim:

The Alias (Common name) system has been designed to accomodate this kind of data and Gerri has previously said that if we could document that a "coomon Name was in error we could use that. I believe I have used an example of Francois on this. To use it through Credited As or As credited in my book is wrong., which is what I believe is being discussed. FRANCOIS=Francois (discounting the change in case) "accurately reflects the data On screen. To make it François is inferring data that does not appear On Screen and in fact such an inferrence may not be factually correct. All I have said is FRANCOIS=François Credited As Francois through use of the Alias (Common name). It is a very easy concept to follow.

If I am not mistaken Tim, I have spelled it out more than once in almost exactly the above terms. As I commented to Martin in another it is no harder than you chose to make it, it really is very easy, it was designed to be easy.

You are dead wrong in your description BTW. You include only two components of the system and As Credited and Credited As are the same thing in two different fields. Then you throw in the Common name to complete the Alias system.

Skip (tic)

Quoting skipnet50:

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Tim:

The Alias (Common name) system has been designed to accomodate this kind of data and Gerri has previously said that if we could document that a "coomon Name was in error we could use that. I believe I have used an example of Francois on this. To use it through Credited As or As credited in my book is wrong., which is what I believe is being discussed. FRANCOIS=Francois (discounting the change in case) "accurately reflects the data On screen. To make it François is inferring data that does not appear On Screen and in fact such an inferrence may not be factually correct. All I have said is FRANCOIS=François Credited As Francois through use of the Alias (Common name). It is a very easy concept to follow.

If I am not mistaken Tim, I have spelled it out more than once in almost exactly the above terms. As I commented to Martin in another it is no harder than you chose to make it, it really is very easy, it was designed to be easy.

You are dead wrong in your description BTW. You include only two components of the system and As Credited and Credited As are the same thing in two different fields. Then you throw in the Common name to complete the Alias system.

Skip (tic)

And has been explained to you, the current linking system is not designed as you infer.

The "Name" field is to be populated with the most popular "Credited As" name as determined by the CLT.

This can be over-ridden only if it can been demonstrated that the current database does not contain the correct "credited As" names which is causing the CLT to yield an incorrect answer.

You cannot simply say that "François" is the "correct" spelling, therefore, you can over-ride the CLT and use "François" in the "Name" field.

If that were true, we could over-ride the CLT anytime we can prove that the CLT does not yield someone's "real" name.

Not!

Quoting skipnet50:

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Hal:

Stay with me a minute. Let's pick on Francois and say we have 88 listings for Francois, and 14 for François. It can be documented Francois=François, thus the actual common name would be François=102. Common Name François, this is hard?

Note Hal, I am not referring to François as "real" name it may or may not be and whether it is or not is irrelevant. But Francois=François is simply a cultural issue a that can be documented in this particular example.

Better this way than non-existent inferred data in As Credited/Credited As

Skip

Sorry, Skip, but if he was actually credited in 88 films as "Francois", then "Francois" must be used for the "Name" field.

If you could document that 50 of those "Credited As" were entered into the database incorrectly and were actually in the film as "François", then you could change the "Name" field to "François" (64 "François" to 38 "Francois"), but only then.