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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
I don't think a single response in this entire thread had anything to do with my original post.
I'm referring to the need to change to a new system entirely. Not the Star Wars titles. Not rule changes.
Perhaps some should go back and read more carefully. It'd also be nice if Ken would respond, given that the topic is addressed to him. So Ross, do you have any alternatives to the rules in mind? I know I accidentally started this whole mess, but I honestly don't have any good ideas. I'd love to see a common sense exception built into the rules. Something where you can deviate from the rules if you run into something that doesn't make sense. But the instant you put something like that in the rules, you'll get all kinds of nonsense. As Cliff pointed out in post #3, everyone will see things differently. You can't rely on common sense with this many people. I do think the rules work good most of the time. But when they fail us, it seems to start WWIII around here. I don't think going back to guidelines is the right solution to the problem. But I'm not ready to say what we have today is the absolute best solution to the problem. But I don't have any better ideas at this point either. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
I do think the rules work good most of the time. But when they fail us, it seems to start WWIII around here. I don't think going back to guidelines is the right solution to the problem. But I'm not ready to say what we have today is the absolute best solution to the problem. But I don't have any better ideas at this point either. Should try : Anonymous contribution Anonymous votes : Yes, the contribution is worth being put in the database No, it is not. No WWIII, and the majority is common sense. then: +1 point per accepted contribution -1 point per refused contribution Ken gives the list of best contributors. With that system, everybody tends to contribute only interesting changes. Running into shelter, scuds are coming....  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mark:
I think the answer is very simple. WWIII need not break out, all people have to do is listen to each other and discuss issues. Surfeur, I don't mean any insult but for the most part your idea seems...bizarre.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know, I quite like surfeur's idea: some user names carry a lot of baggage now, so anonymous contributing and voting may be a good way of stopping a lot of the arguments.
Of course Ken would have to create some sort of separate messaging system so they could talk to each other without revealing identities, so it may be too complicated to introduce.
Not sure about the points system, but Ken has said in the past that people's history can be taken into account when looking at a submission, so maybe he has something like that already. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
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I do think the rules work good most of the time. But when they fail us, it seems to start WWIII around here. I don't think going back to guidelines is the right solution to the problem. But I'm not ready to say what we have today is the absolute best solution to the problem. But I don't have any better ideas at this point either.
Should try :
Anonymous contribution
Anonymous votes : Yes, the contribution is worth being put in the database No, it is not.
No WWIII, and the majority is common sense.
then:
+1 point per accepted contribution
-1 point per refused contribution
Ken gives the list of best contributors.
With that system, everybody tends to contribute only interesting changes.
Running into shelter, scuds are coming.... I like this idea. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | If submissions are anonymous that means the contribution notes and their history will be anonymous as well... Right? Or once it is submitted and approved or rejected you could see who submitted it. "Dang.... If I knew it was him I would have found a reason to vote NO"  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I do not like the idea of anonymous submissions. I have gotten to know a lot of you and I know which notes I can trust and which notes I can't. I would hate to go back to the days of having to check every single profile against the notes and the disc. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Same here. I have some users that I trust 100% on their contribution, so I don't have to check my DVD physically. But if all the contribution become anonymous I will have to check everytime since we don't know who is who. A good idea but a lot of user will vote yes or no without checking their DVD to see if the change is right. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I do not like the idea of anonymous submissions. I have gotten to know a lot of you and I know which notes I can trust and which notes I can't. I would hate to go back to the days of having to check every single profile against the notes and the disc. I agree 100% | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | We couldn't do anonymous contributions unless we dropped or radically changed the contribution notes system. I can pick Skip's notes out from a mile away. And without beating around the bush, I think Skip is the name that will pop into at least 90% of most users heads when they read this idea.
And it's not just contributors that I learn to trust more. There are particular voters that I've learned to trust as well. That's not how it should work, but it is. Still, it's an interesting idea. And it's nice to see a solution that doesn't involve a new rule. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
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I do think the rules work good most of the time. But when they fail us, it seems to start WWIII around here. I don't think going back to guidelines is the right solution to the problem. But I'm not ready to say what we have today is the absolute best solution to the problem. But I don't have any better ideas at this point either.
Should try :
Anonymous contribution
Anonymous votes : Yes, the contribution is worth being put in the database No, it is not.
No WWIII, and the majority is common sense.
then:
+1 point per accepted contribution
-1 point per refused contribution
Ken gives the list of best contributors.
With that system, everybody tends to contribute only interesting changes.
Running into shelter, scuds are coming.... I think this would be a good idea, except for the anonymous part. Then have the full stats either next to the contributer's name, or in their profile when you click the name. The accepted there already is a good starting point, but a declined next to/under it would help seperate the O.K. from the great, and leave those who want their name on contributions with something to lose from bad submissions. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I do not like the idea of anonymous submissions. I have gotten to know a lot of you and I know which notes I can trust and which notes I can't. I would hate to go back to the days of having to check every single profile against the notes and the disc. I hardly understand. You have just to say if you find it interesting. No need to check anything... I'll take a totally fictitious example : Someone wants to remove the word Episode from Star Wars titles. No need to check the DVD to say if it is interesting or not... No need to have strict rules: pingpongers will just see their total decrease... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not interesting, surfeur. CORRECT per the Rules.
I know you desperately want to go back to the days of thew Guidelines, when you could say They are only Guidelines we don't have to follow them. I hope Ken sees this too and just flat ignores it, we're I him, I would.
Not to be insulting but Ken chose the Rules. What I see is a batch of crybabies who want to do it their way, instead of Ken's way, and if they can't get their way they will not become part of the TEAM and Contribute, as Surfeur has repeatedly told us. There are things that I don't agree with and I have been vocal about, but Ken made the choice and I will play the game as he wants it played. Join the TEAM.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken chose the rules? You mean the ones that you helped write, of course. Funny how "Ken's way" is actually your way. Here's an idea. If you don't have anything productive to add (and it's clear you don't) - shut the hell up and let us talk. Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Quoting chibul:
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I don't think a single response in this entire thread had anything to do with my original post.
I'm referring to the need to change to a new system entirely. Not the Star Wars titles. Not rule changes.
Perhaps some should go back and read more carefully. It'd also be nice if Ken would respond, given that the topic is addressed to him.
So Ross, do you have any alternatives to the rules in mind? I know I accidentally started this whole mess, but I honestly don't have any good ideas. I'd love to see a common sense exception built into the rules. Something where you can deviate from the rules if you run into something that doesn't make sense. But the instant you put something like that in the rules, you'll get all kinds of nonsense. As Cliff pointed out in post #3, everyone will see things differently. You can't rely on common sense with this many people.
I do think the rules work good most of the time. But when they fail us, it seems to start WWIII around here. I don't think going back to guidelines is the right solution to the problem. But I'm not ready to say what we have today is the absolute best solution to the problem. But I don't have any better ideas at this point either. I personally wouldn't mind the common sense exception at all. It puts more authority into the hands of the users, and honestly...would it be any more nonsense than we have now? | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
... Join the TEAM...
Team... Who has seen a team here ??? I just was insulted from my FIRST post, and newbies are always bullied. Never saw a team win when members are in an endless war... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I hardly understand. You have just to say if you find it interesting. No need to check anything...
I'll take a totally fictitious example : Someone wants to remove the word Episode from Star Wars titles. No need to check the DVD to say if it is interesting or not...
No need to have strict rules: pingpongers will just see their total decrease... I prefer the rules. With few exceptions, it makes things a lot easier to contribute. Do I agree with them all? No, but that is not a deal breaker for me. My statement, about not wanting anonymous submissions, should be taken in that context. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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