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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mercury666: Quote:
I'm a little bit confused by now with all the contributions that get accepted or denied to this X-Files boxset.
The current contributions in the queue would make it one parent profile with 55 child level disc profiles if I see that correctly, without any season differentiation.
What I want is one "grand"parent profile ("Akte X Season 1-9 Box") with 9 "parents" (one for each season) with respective disc profiles of their seasons as childs (6 or 7 discs depending on season).
There is no such submission in place - is one main parent profile with 55 childs (and no separate season profiles) the correct solution, really? Or did I oversee something?
Thanks! Yes it is... and in my experience it is the correct way for most complete series sets. We tried for different solutions in the rules committee forum... without much agreement.... and this is what Ken, the owner of the database, came up with. And is stricter then what any of us was asking for. If the individual seasons within the complete series set does not have their own UPC/EANs then they do not get profiled per rules... only the complete series (parent) profile and the individual disc profiles. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | The current rules are interesting. You could have the exact same complete series, one with UPCs and one without for the individual seasons, and one would be entered with parent profiles and the other without. Seems odd there are different standards on like items with the exception of a barcode. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Seems odd there are different standards on like items with the exception of a barcode. Not really, EAN/UPC is the main way to get a primary key for a profile. No primary key for a season, no profile. The Disc-ID belongs to the disc-profile for obvious reasons. And yes, with Variants it might be a good idea to enter the season as a # of the first disc, but that has to go into the Contribution Rules first. And I vaguely remember that this came up before and Ken was against it? | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mercury666: Quote:
is one main parent profile with 55 childs (and no separate season profiles) the correct solution, really? As others stated: In this case it is. But fret not, you can of course create manual profiles for the seasons as children to the main-profile and put the according Disc-profiles as grandchildren into the manuals. | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Not really, EAN/UPC is the main way to get a primary key for a profile.
No primary key for a season, no profile.
The Disc-ID belongs to the disc-profile for obvious reasons. Before variants were available, if I recall correctly, the Disc ID of the first disc would also be used for the main profile if there wasn't a UPC/EAN. These instances aren't as common but such cases are out there. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mercury666: Quote:
The current contributions in the queue would make it one parent profile with 55 child level disc profiles if I see that correctly, without any season differentiation. Yes, this is how the rules are written (today). When this structure is completely established, and the profiles corrected (I've promised to deliver the large one), it should be easy for everyone interested to sqeeze a local season profile in between for each season. But I think about sugesting a rule change to make theese season profiles contributable; let's see, if the emotions come down to a level where we can discuss about improvement... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
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Not really, EAN/UPC is the main way to get a primary key for a profile.
No primary key for a season, no profile.
The Disc-ID belongs to the disc-profile for obvious reasons.
Before variants were available, if I recall correctly, the Disc ID of the first disc would also be used for the main profile if there wasn't a UPC/EAN. These instances aren't as common but such cases are out there. As far as I followed - thanks to Addicted2DVD for digggin out the relevant posts for this thread - the disc ID never was officially allowed for box sets. - But there already was a large argue about it in the past... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
... let's see, if the emotions come down to a level where we can discuss about improvement... Problem is not emotions...  We just have here people who are against the idea of any improvement. Useless data and errors are so ecstatic for them...  | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
The current rules are interesting. You could have the exact same complete series, one with UPCs and one without for the individual seasons, and one would be entered with parent profiles and the other without. Seems odd there are different standards on like items with the exception of a barcode. Indeed. It's good that we have a "hard" ruling on how to deal with such sets, it's better than the ambiguity we had before, but it's a strange one. Personally, I dislike that one five-season TV box set, packaged in five individual keepcases inside a slipcover, isn't handled the same way as the next five-season TV box set, also packaged in five individual keepcases inside a slipcover. The fact that just the presence or lack of UPC/EAN-codes on these five individual seasons makes so much difference in how we handle them, seems very strange to me. I'd rather handle them consistently - especially as I never use disc-level profiles for TV shows, but I would like to have season profiles. With this rule, I can contribute some of them, and others have to kept local. Inconsistent, but so be it. But again, in any case, I prefer to *have* a ruling over ambiguity we had before - so I'm applying this as well as I can. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting AiAustria:
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... let's see, if the emotions come down to a level where we can discuss about improvement...
Problem is not emotions... ... getting blocked from sending PMs is somewhat emotional for me... Quote:
... ecstatic for them... another emotion  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
... getting blocked from sending PMs is somewhat emotional for me...
I've also one user who blocked me from sending PM. He did that some years ago, though I had never sent any PM to him, probably just to show me that he hates me, thing I had already understood reading his posts. But saying that this is emotional for me is a little too much: I just find it extremely funny to see adult(?) people acting so childishly  | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | The first profiles are accepted and released and the original contributor is uploading the wrong profile again |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | All you can do is vote against it.... I would also link to this thread as well in the no vote. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Duncan MacLeod: Quote:
The first profiles are accepted and released and the original contributor is uploading the wrong profile again ... maybe we should offer a german translation of the rules; the only thinkable reasons for this contributions are either not knowing or not understandign the contribution rules...  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is always the option of that particular person (whoever it may be) not caring. I have had people vote and contribute against the rules just because they don't like the rules before. Though in my region/locality it is usually voted down very quickly. That could be different for the region/locality that we are talking about here. | | | | Pete |
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