Quoting skipnet50:

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The HB discussion I don't consider to be a valid because however it is handled it does NOT change the appearance of the data. The hooo-ha over Asianb names is about changing the APPEARANCE of the name relative to the On Screen appearance. That is the one thing , and whatever is done has to be done either the Alias or locally.  You set H/B/C, H//BC or even HB//C they all apear the same in the Cast list relative to the On Screen data.

If this is the way Ken wanted it to work, why did he include multiple name fields?  If the semantic meaning was supposed to be "exactly what appears on the screen", then there should be a single field, which leaves no room for interpretation.  But that's not what we have - there are three fields, they have meaning, and we should be applying that meaning consistently.

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Have you bothered to even take notes. There were a number of users who said at the outset of this long ago that the multiple name fields cause problems but that a single name field would eliminate the problem. Well, the CREDITED AS field is a SINGLE name field and yet people are still whining about it because they want the culture to be "honored" I have said that with the Alias system or local data the problem can be dealt with, by either system, but that isn't good enough for them or this discussion, which is MOOT would not continue.

Now which way do you want to deal with it through the Alias system or Locally, I don't care which one is used. BUT NOT by changing the Credited As field, that field is as the data appears ON SCREEN.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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Smee:

Have you bothered to even take notes. There were a number of users who said at the outset of this long ago that the multiple name fields cause problems but that a single name field would eliminate the problem. Well, the CREDITED AS field is a SINGLE name field and yet people are still whining about it because they want the culture to be "honored" I have said that with the Alias system or local data the problem can be dealt with, by either system, but that isn't good enough for them or this discussion, which is MOOT would not continue.

I am sorry, Skip.  You can say it as many times as you want and it still won't be good enough for most people.  Why?  Because most people see you as 'just another user', with no authority to dictate how things must be done.  You can offer opinions, but just as you have chosen to ignore mine, people can choose to ignore your's.  I am not trying to be argumentative, that's just the reality of the situation.  Such is life.

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Now which way do you want to deal with it through the Alias system or Locally, I don't care which one is used. BUT NOT by changing the Credited As field, that field is as the data appears ON SCREEN.

I think you meant 'the name field' as the 'credited as field' IS the alias system. 

But that is besides the point.  Until this is addressed in the rules, or by forum consensus, this problem will just come back to haunt us again.  Ken needs to address this in the rules.  I don't care what the solution is, there just needs to be one so this horse can rest in peace.

If the On screen Credit says Gong Li, then that is what Credited As says, simple. How it is resolved otherwise through the alias system or locally is up to you and I am open to whatever. But the Credited As is a single name field and you enter as it appears ON SCREEN, nothing more or less.


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As long as you don't muck up Credited As, smee, I don't care. I am open to whatever solution you want, via Alias or Local decision, both are workable and I can live with either.

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Quoting northbloke:

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If the rules were adjusted to say that for the purposes of DVD Profiler the fields first, middle and last names referred purely to the order the names appear on the screen, regardless of cultural origins - would that cause any problems for anyone?

That would, at least, be consistent. It still leaves the sorting problem, though.

True, but is that a big problem? When I'm looking for a name - I start typing it until the list narrows down, so it wouldn't really matter where the name ended up in the full list. However it may have a knock-on effect for reports etc. As far as I'm aware, there is no option to filter based on last name, so again there shouldn't be a problem.

I do like the idea of having family name in last name and given name in first name, as it keeps like data together, but I am worried about how this will affect casual users and submitters who aren't as familiar with these naming conventions and may be put off contributing to the database. That's why I still prefer the idea of entering the name based simply on the order on screen (reading left to right).

When you IGNORE what I am saying, north, i am left with the conclusion that you don't understand me. I have been talking about this from the first post and for three years. I have even mentioned it to you in PM, which you also blew off, so i conclude you don't understand...what else would you like for me to conclude. You are the FIRST person I have seen in three years FINALLY willing to acknowledge what I am saying. Talking to people works, talking at people doesn't.

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Simple questions Skip:

Is Gong Li's common name Gong//Li or Li//Gong?
Is Chow Yun-Fat's common name Chow//Yun-Fat or Yun-Fat//Chow?