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R.I.P.D. title question. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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For example... why is Rest in Peace Department part of the title... and yet... it is just Mimic and not Mimic: A Bold Experiment...A Deadly Mistake!?
"A Bold Experiment...A Deadly Mistake!" is typically what I called a "Summary used as a teaser ", that we often find on covers. Really, I personnally hardly put "Rest in Peace Department" in the same category.
But I do not want to discuss any more. I just note that your Statement "For some movies I will feel it is part of the title and for some films I will not", will not help the consistency of the database... Which is exactly what I am trying to show. You have to go by what it actually says... and not just the format that it is in. And as long as you have a database being filled by a large community such as this one you are not going to have everyone agree what the said text is.... and so you are not going to have any type of consistency. Some will see a tagline or whatever and others will see it as part of the title. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
And in regards to the list I posted, there are NO episodic descriptors included. Those which I listed that are sequels, have BOTH a sequel number AND a subtitle. According to the rules, that list is filled with episode descriptors. Quote:
For instance, there is only ONE "Santa Clause III". However, the DVD cover shows a subtitle in addition to the sequel number: "Santa Clause III: The Escape Clause" Here is the rule: " Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break." I see no difference between "Santa Clause III: The Escape Clause" and "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock"...or am I missing something?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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And in regards to the list I posted, there are NO episodic descriptors included. Those which I listed that are sequels, have BOTH a sequel number AND a subtitle.
According to the rules, that list is filled with episode descriptors.
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For instance, there is only ONE "Santa Clause III". However, the DVD cover shows a subtitle in addition to the sequel number: "Santa Clause III: The Escape Clause"
Here is the rule: "Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break."
I see no difference between "Santa Clause III: The Escape Clause" and "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock"...or am I missing something? Technically, there are no sequels of Star Trek III or Santa Clause III. There are sequels of Star Trek and Santa Clause. The Search for Spock is the ONLY episode of Star Trek III. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Technically, there are no sequels of Star Trek III or Santa Clause III. There are sequels of Star Trek and Santa Clause.
The Search for Spock is the ONLY episode of Star Trek III. Technically, that is your opinion, and one that the rules do not support. Not that it matters, but I happen to agree with the rules in this case. "Star Trek III" is the sequal to "Star Trek", the third episode in the film franchise if you will, and "The Search for Spock" is the description of that episode. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 554 |
| | Posted: | | | | This thread is ridiculous. After 8 pages there isn't even a bloody poll!  Personally, I'm of the group that thinks the media title is "R.I.P.D.: Rest in Peace Department" and "R.I.P.D." should go in the original title (assuming it's what's used in the opening titles). But that's just me. I don't own this movie. I don't know what the spine says. If it just said "R.I.P.D." on the spine, I might move over to the thought that "Rest in Peace Department" is just some superfluous marketing thing. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just so everybody is clear. This is the Title tile in the Movie  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Just so everybody is clear. This is the Title tile in the Movie
But the rule says absolutely nothing about taking the title from the film.  My point int his discussion is the rules aren't clear, which is obvious. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote:
This thread is ridiculous. After 8 pages there isn't even a bloody poll!
Personally, I'm of the group that thinks the media title is "R.I.P.D.: Rest in Peace Department" and "R.I.P.D." should go in the original title (assuming it's what's used in the opening titles). But that's just me. I don't own this movie. I don't know what the spine says. If it just said "R.I.P.D." on the spine, I might move over to the thought that "Rest in Peace Department" is just some superfluous marketing thing. on all of the covers I've seen (many different localities), R.I.P.D.: Rest In Peace Department is on the spine. And all back cover credit blocks have R.I.P.D. But that means nothing per the rules, but it may help some in what they believe is the DVD title. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Technically, that is your opinion, and one that the rules do not support. Not that it matters, but I happen to agree with the rules in this case. "Star Trek III" is the sequal to "Star Trek", the third episode in the film franchise if you will, and "The Search for Spock" is the description of that episode. I see nothing in the Rules which defines what is an episode descriptor versus what is a subtitle. If the cover said "Star Trek: The Search for Spock", "The Search for Spock" would be an episode descriptor for one of the sequels to "Star Trek", in other words it tells you which of the sequels of "Star Trek", this one is. Since the cover says "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock", "The Search for Spock" is a subtitle, since it is actually another name for the movie "Star Trek III". I know that is very complicated, but if you take your animus hat off for a minute and really think about it for a while, I think even you will see there is a big difference. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I see nothing in the Rules which defines what is an episode descriptor versus what is a subtitle.
If the cover said "Star Trek: The Search for Spock", "The Search for Spock" would be a episode descriptor for one of the sequels to "Star Trek", in other words it tells you which of the sequels of "Star Trek", this one is.
Since the cover says "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock", "The Search for Spock" is a subtitle, since it is actually another name for the movie "Star Trek III".
I know that is very complicated, but if you take your animus hat off for a minute and really think about it for a while, I think even you will see there is a big difference. I have to agree with Hal's logic. That said, we all know that logic doesn't always apply in Profiler world  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Amen to that!  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I see nothing in the Rules which defines what is an episode descriptor versus what is a subtitle.
If the cover said "Star Trek: The Search for Spock", "The Search for Spock" would be an episode descriptor for one of the sequels to "Star Trek", in other words it tells you which of the sequels of "Star Trek", this one is.
Since the cover says "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock", "The Search for Spock" is a subtitle, since it is actually another name for the movie "Star Trek III".
I know that is very complicated, but if you take your animus hat off for a minute and really think about it for a while, I think even you will see there is a big difference. So I guess since we're supposed to use a colon for the episode descriptor, the actual DVD title (for DVDP puproses) is Star Trek: III? | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
So I guess since we're supposed to use a colon for the episode descriptor, the actual DVD title (for DVDP puproses) is Star Trek: III? Well, I wouldn't, but that's probably a personal preference! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I have to agree with Hal's logic. That said, we all know that logic doesn't always apply in Profiler world Here is the rule..."Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break." Since the only colon used in the example is between 'Star Trek III' and 'The Search for Spock', it seems fairly obvious that 'The Search for Spock' is what the rules consider the episode descriptor. While you may not agree with the logic, and I have no problem with that, I don't see how you can interpret that rule any other way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | from the rules - Use the title from the front cover.
so the example of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock is the original title and also the title on the Front cover. Only an Edit would think to change it to something else.
I don't see how hard it can be to get the title from the cover. You know what the movie is, is that on the front cover, or is there numbers in place of some letters or maybe thay added and extra word. Maybe it's in a different language.
Or are people really trying to cause a conflict. For every 10 people that are trying to fix the database, there are 100 mucking it up. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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I have to agree with Hal's logic. That said, we all know that logic doesn't always apply in Profiler world
Here is the rule..."Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break."
Since the only colon used in the example is between 'Star Trek III' and 'The Search for Spock', it seems fairly obvious that 'The Search for Spock' is what the rules consider the episode descriptor. While you may not agree with the logic, and I have no problem with that, I don't see how you can interpret that rule any other way. I didn't say that I interpreted the rule any other way, I only commented on the logic. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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