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Special letters - why are some inside the profiler and others not?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Sometimes doing cast & crew there are persons with special letters in their names like "Şiir Eloğlu"
Well, she is shown as "Siir Eloglu" in profiler, even if I enter the "correct" letters.

But other special letters like in "Till Demtrøder" are part of the database. Is there a reason for why some letters are "modified" to their "usual" version and others not?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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When computers first started out, the only characters they understood were ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange), which is the basic Latin (i.e. English) alphabet and things like .,;-() and so on.

These were a maximum of 127 characters which by that time's encoding fit into 7 bit.

After that we went to 8 bit, which is now the common understanding of what a byte is.

With 8 bits (1 byte) you can encode 255 different characters and with it came the ANSI (American National Standards Institute) code table which in turn contains a variety of "foreign" (to Americans) characters, such as the German umlauts ö, ä and ü as well as the Eszett ß (which is not the Greek Beta β  ).

An overview can be found here.

Of course technology marches on and other languages needed to be represented as well which is when ultimately UTF-8 came into play which is today's standard for character encoding and which can represent Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Thai and whatnot.

Sadly, DVD Profilers codebase is stuck in the ANSI age which means you get certain (Western European) characters but for example you fail with characters that are exclusive to e.g. the Turkish language.

For example you are lucky with many Turkish letters because our somewhat infamous example François works because the ç is part of the French alphabet and Döner works because ö is part of the German alphabet, but the ş is only in Turkic language family

Addendum: The reason why the ş works in the forums is because the web server delivers this page as UTF-8. That's why you can also post the Japanese kanji for tree: 木
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Just for the curiosity-inclined: Even emojis are encoded in UTF-8. When textual representation of moods were invented they basically used the ASCII character set. You take a colon, a hyphen and a closing brace and you get :-). Many forums such a this one uses them.  : + P = 

And this is true even for the hundreds of emojis that you have on your smartphone. Every year there's a committee that decides which new emojis get added to the UTF-8 character set. You can take a look at the list here.

Interestingly, these emojis only describe what you are supposed to see. When you see this post in your browser, the Invelos webserver will have actually send you the image to the computer you are sitting in front of right now.

This is different with emojis. There your device only gets the information "please show a plane and a UFO emoji". Which is why when you see the same text on an Android phone or an iPhone, you see this either as
or
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Well, a lot to read not about the question but interesting info. So maybe if anytime a new version of the profiler changes from ANSI to the next step, then we might get "all" of the other letters. I was just confused about.... but if I think about the HUGE load of work to change all the actual "wrong" characters it looks scaring.... :-)
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Quoting Magmadrag:
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Well, a lot to read not about the question but interesting info. So maybe if anytime a new version of the profiler changes from ANSI to the next step, then we might get "all" of the other letters. I was just confused about.... but if I think about the HUGE load of work to change all the actual "wrong" characters it looks scaring.... :-)


At least for movie titles you can use *shameless self-plug* Enhanced Titles which allows you to enter titles in UTF-8 which you can then display in HTML windows: