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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | First, I'm sorry if this is clear to others but I could not find the information by searching forums and reading the rules.
Is it correct to remove uncredited cast and crew from the database? I am specifically referring to cast data that has already been approved and released on DVDP. I want to vote correctly and would like a clarification on this issue.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | From what I've read I understand the only time you should remove uncredited cast is if it is an exact copy of IMDB.
Personally, the only time I'd like to see it done is if it is proven wrong. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,005 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's not incorrect to remove it. However it's not necessarily a good idea to remove it for removal's sake; it may be legit, even if the contribution notes do not say so, since so many thousands of profiles with uncredited cast were put in before notes were required for initial contributions. If there is nothing in the contribution notes regarding validity, then a negative vote is acceptable, whether or not it is wrong. If it is, then the original contributor can still put the uncredited cast back with documentation.
Uncredited crew are always invalid, however. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
First, I'm sorry if this is clear to others but I could not find the information by searching forums and reading the rules.
Is it correct to remove uncredited cast and crew from the database? I am specifically referring to cast data that has already been approved and released on DVDP. I want to vote correctly and would like a clarification on this issue.
Thank you. The last word I saw from Ken on this is, they may be removed if they are an exact copy of a 3rd party db. If the contributor is just removing them without documentation, then I would vote 'no'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Avoid vandalism where possible. Many uncredited listings were meticulously assembled before the days of documentation. If you just don't like uncredited listings, remove them from your own profiles, but you should have a good reason for removing them from an existing profile in the database. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Avoid vandalism where possible. Many uncredited listings were meticulously assembled before the days of documentation. If you just don't like uncredited listings, remove them from your own profiles, but you should have a good reason for removing them from an existing profile in the database. I missed these bad old days. From where were these listings meticulously assembled? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | These amazing things made of paper that were called "books."  | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Avoid vandalism where possible. Many uncredited listings were meticulously assembled before the days of documentation. If you just don't like uncredited listings, remove them from your own profiles, but you should have a good reason for removing them from an existing profile in the database. ROFLMAO, I hope you are not in any way referring to profiler, gard. I think we all know where our (uncredited) came from for a long time before the Rules, and they were not meticulously assembled.. They are now, at least by me. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
These amazing things made of paper that were called "books." Like I said, I wasn't around when all this conscientious work was being done on behalf of Profiler. I guess that explains the near perfect tracking with other third party databases. Everybody is using the same books. It's all the same to me as I haven't been removing anything from the online. I'm a little skeptical but I'll keep my skepticism confined to my local. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Obviously, some if not most of the uncredited was just copied from IMDB. But you cannot and should not assume that that's where *all* of the uncredited came from. I've done quite a few profiles using reference works for uncredited cast. Sometimes there's overlap with IMDB. But there is a wealth of information out there from yes before the Internets that can be used and HAS BEEN USED. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I look forward to your documented Contributions, gard. Seriously, I can't wait.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was about to ask the same question. I was auditing "The Lost Word: Jurassic Park" and they have quite a few uncredited cast members without documentation. 11 of them match up exactly with IMDb even in the same sequence. However, one exists in DVDP that is not in IMDb and likewise, one exists in IMDb that doesn't exist in DVDP.
So, should I trash 'em or not? I'm leaning towards yes because they're enough of a match to make me go "Hrmmm" and think that they were a match at one time. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
If the existing entries are documented in previous contribution notes, then it is not allowed to remove them.. Except that many could have been documented fully in 2.x but then all that documentation was lot when resubmitting a full profile for 3.x... I think the general rule as mentioned from Ken is that if they match 3rd party Db exactly then they are dodgy enough to remove, if not then they may be legit and unless you can prove otherwise then leave them. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Obviously, some if not most of the uncredited was just copied from IMDB. But you cannot and should not assume that that's where *all* of the uncredited came from. I've done quite a few profiles using reference works for uncredited cast. Sometimes there's overlap with IMDB. But there is a wealth of information out there from yes before the Internets that can be used and HAS BEEN USED. 99.9% of the uncredited stuff in our database is nothing more than the sludge scraped from the bottom of the IMDB barrel back in the bad old days. I defy anybody to document it. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
I was about to ask the same question. I was auditing "The Lost Word: Jurassic Park" and they have quite a few uncredited cast members without documentation. 11 of them match up exactly with IMDb even in the same sequence. However, one exists in DVDP that is not in IMDb and likewise, one exists in IMDb that doesn't exist in DVDP.
So, should I trash 'em or not? I'm leaning towards yes because they're enough of a match to make me go "Hrmmm" and think that they were a match at one time. Ken's statement has been "if they are a carbon copy" they may, but do not need to be removed. In the case you describe, they are not a "carbon copy", so, in my opinion, they may not be removed. | | | | Hal |
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