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TV Show Child Profiles: One profile per disc or per side (Double sided discs)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlnxfreak123
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I know not everyone uses child profiles, but I've hit a snag when auditing my copy of Knight Rider Season 1 (it has three dual-sided discs and one single-sided disc (this is all bonus stuff)) , there exists in the database profiles for each side of the doubles. I've only ever used the Side A profiles, never downloaded the Side B. Some updates need paticularly adding crew and some cast fixes.

So should I update profiles for both sides or just one (Side A, and possible remove Side A from the title field)?


I prefer just using the Side A ones only and getting rid of the side A indicator, but that's me.
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from the rules:
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Disc IDs 
Add disc information for each disc using a DVD-ROM drive. Use the default descriptions wherever possible; do not change "Main Feature" to the film’s title. Use one description per disc. If a disc is double-sided, there is only one description for that disc.
Do not enter each side as a separate disc.
If a movie is on both sides of a disc in Widescreen and Pan & Scan or Full Frame versions, identify this by entering the Side A description as "Main Feature (Widescreen)" and the Side B description as "Main Feature (Pan & Scan)" or "Main Feature (Full Frame)", or the reverse if that is the order on the disc sides.

If a film spans 2 discs, add (Part 1) and (Part 2) to the “Main Feature” description.

If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler.


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"Box Sets" Containing More Than One Film
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
° Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
° Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
° Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.

Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a film is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging.

If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc.

For the main Box-set profile, add the individual profiles via "Box set" button. The following Clarifications to the standard Rules need to be used:
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Disc IDs Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles
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TV Series on DVD
Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.

Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Sides should not realy be in the title. You could profile per disc-id. IMHO
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Quoting the Rules (from the TV Set section):

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Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile.


I interpret this to mean that you profile each physical disc, not each side of each physical disc.
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I am not sure whether or not I agree with Giga.  If we are going to profile both sides, something I don't do, it kind of makes sense to label them.

As for fixing the profile, I would:

  • Download the Side B profile

  • Update and upload both profiles

  • Copy the side B information to my side A profile

  • Delete the Side B profile from my collection


  • Doing it this way, you have what you want and the on-line has correct profiles.  I know it goes above and beyond, but it would be a nice thing to do.
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    Quoting the Rules (from the TV Set section):

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    Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile.


    I interpret this to mean that you profile each physical disc, not each side of each physical disc.


    The rule goes on to say:

    Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules...

    Some people interpret that to mean they can follow the box set rule, which says that you make a profile for each side of the disc.  I remember this coming up once before, but I can't seem to find it.
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    I think 2 separate profiles are acceptable in this case. There have been cases where these sides are later split to separate discs (and examples of the reverse can probably be found). And in these cases the disc id's are the same. If you keep disc id profiles why would you have a separate profile in one case and not the other, they are essentially the same.

    But it seems to me that if you are going down to disc level profiles for a TV series its because you don't want all the episode information in one profile, and want to know which episode is on which disc. I think this aids in that. I realize that this may open the door for people to try and contribute movies that have dual sided discs with widescreen on one side and full screen on the other. However, this situation is explicitly addressed in the rules. And as Unicus said, it would appear that the TV Set rules can be interpreted either way.

    I haven't decided how I want to handle TV sets personally (using disc profiles or not) but to me, it seems acceptable (and maybe even preferable) to have a separate disc profile for both sides but I could also accept the other position.

    Unless an official stance is made I think it may come to personal preference. Which unfortunately makes how to handle the cast so that both sides can easily have what they want a slight issue, someone will need to do extra work locally to get what they want

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    Quoting Unicus69:
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    The rule goes on to say:

    Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules...

    Some people interpret that to mean they can follow the box set rule, which says that you make a profile for each side of the disc.  I remember this coming up once before, but I can't seem to find it.


    Not to be argumentative, but the "boxset rules" are not part of the "standard Contirbution Rules".  They, along with the TV Set Rules, are defined separately in the Rules and have their own little icons to indicate that they are "special" rules for these two types of profiles.

    Furthermore the Rules define a boxset as "...any release that includes more than one film".  TV episodes are not films, IMHO.  Why it says "films" instead of "movies" is beyond me! 
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    Not to be argumentative, but the "boxset rules" are not part of the "standard Contirbution Rules".  They, along with the TV Set Rules, are defined separately in the Rules and have their own little icons to indicate that they are "special" rules for these two types of profiles.


    I do not disagree and, as I said in my first post, it is not something I do.  There are people, however, that do interpret it that way...as evidenced by the OP.
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    Profiles each disc, not each side.

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    I think, the rules are not clear on this point.

    But I'd vote for on profile per side (Disk ID). - Why?

    Because if someone wants to split up the whole season to smaller junks to get the episode information organized, he creates child profiles. Why should in this case two already separated junks (disc sides) be reunited to one profile? To me this seems to be somehow inconsequent...

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    And AA, as I have noted before that that method creates non-existent thus throwing offf your counts, if you aren't interested in such things then fine. But, for, example,it's a 4-Disc / 8 side set., NOT 8 Discs. Your idea would tell the program that it is 8 Discs.

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    There are two ways that child profiles for a TV set using double-sided discs can be created.  I've seen them done both ways in the main database


    Child Profile Option 1 (treat each disc as 2-sided):
      1. Disc 1
              Side A
              Side B
      2. Disc 2
            Side A
            Side B

    Advantage:    Fewer children to deal with.  Profiler can account for Side A/Side B disc IDs
    Disadvantage:  If set is re-released on single-sided DVDs owners of re-release sets would have to find a way to spin off Side B into unique child profile

    Child Profile Option 2 (treat each side as unique disc):
      1. Disc 1 Side A
      2. Disc 1 Side B
      3. Disc 2 Side A
      4. Disc 2 Side B

    Advantage:    Doesn't matter if re-release is single-sided since each side is already profiled
    Disadvantage: Twice as many child profiles

    I have only stated one advantage/disadvantage to each option, but I'm sure there are more.  There has been talk of one day having the capability to have profiles at the episode level for TV series, and I'm not sure which option I mention would fit into an episode-level profiling scheme (if it would make any difference).

    I have purchased a TV set which is now on single sided discs that was initially released on double sided discs.  I don't remember the specific set(s) now (and I am not at home to look at my database to try and find them).  I do recall wondering how to handle the profiles since the online ones didn't line up with the version I own.  It would have been easier for me to enter the set in my database if each side of the disc had its own profile.  But when I get a set with 2-sided discs, my personal preference is to profile the disc not the side.  I'm not sure the Rules adequately handle this, since the TV section doesn't really address the 2-sided issue and the Box Set  section differentiates between a disc that has a different movie on either side of the disc and a disc which has a different version (WS/P&S) of the SAME movie on either side of the disc.

    So I share lnxfreak123's quandry about dealing with 2-sided TV show sets.
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    Profiles each disc, not each side.

    Skip



    I agree with Skip on this one..........


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    Profiles each disc, not each side.

    Skip



    I agree with Skip on this one..........


    Larry

    I think that's the conclusion I reached with my rather long-winded post above.
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    There are two ways that child profiles for a TV set using double-sided discs can be created.  I've seen them done both ways in the main database


    Child Profile Option 1 (treat each disc as 2-sided):
      1. Disc 1
              Side A
              Side B
      2. Disc 2
            Side A
            Side B

    Advantage:    Fewer children to deal with.  Profiler can account for Side A/Side B disc IDs
    Disadvantage:  If set is re-released on single-sided DVDs owners of re-release sets would have to find a way to spin off Side B into unique child profile

    Child Profile Option 2 (treat each side as unique disc):
      1. Disc 1 Side A
      2. Disc 1 Side B
      3. Disc 2 Side A
      4. Disc 2 Side B

    [u]Advantage:    Doesn't matter if re-release is single-sided since each side is already profiled
    Disadvantage: Twice as many child profiles[/u]

    I have only stated one advantage/disadvantage to each option, but I'm sure there are more.  There has been talk of one day having the capability to have profiles at the episode level for TV series, and I'm not sure which option I mention would fit into an episode-level profiling scheme (if it would make any difference).

    I have purchased a TV set which is now on single sided discs that was initially released on double sided discs.  I don't remember the specific set(s) now (and I am not at home to look at my database to try and find them).  I do recall wondering how to handle the profiles since the online ones didn't line up with the version I own.  It would have been easier for me to enter the set in my database if each side of the disc had its own profile.  But when I get a set with 2-sided discs, my personal preference is to profile the disc not the side.  I'm not sure the Rules adequately handle this, since the TV section doesn't really address the 2-sided issue and the Box Set  section differentiates between a disc that has a different movie on either side of the disc and a disc which has a different version (WS/P&S) of the SAME movie on either side of the disc.

    So I share lnxfreak123's quandry about dealing with 2-sided TV show sets.


    Not hard, Ken, you would simply set it up and add the new Profile, you would have the new Disc set and i would have the old one, for example but both datasets would be in the Online.. I think the new Disc would have a different Disc ID from the Original release as well.

    You also overlooked the disadvantage that the program will count FOUR discs and not TWO. It's great that you are making note of it otherwise, but that doesn't tell the program anything.    It will still see 4 Discs instead of 2-Discs. Other than that it's aviable solution and can be used in the database, it all depends on your view of the counting procedure.

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