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Capitalization of 'I, ROBOT'? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Hal:
You don't want to go there. I can document posssessives right out the wazoo, IF outside documentation is acceptable. But its not people got what they wanted...but if you really want to play that game, we can go there, but you won't like it.
Skip Once again, outside documentation that contradicts the Rules is worthless. I see no problem with outside documentation that supports the Rules, as in this case. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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And again Hal, I say that is YOUR humble opinion, it is not mine. Nobody died and made you God, therefore stop trying to tell me that your opinion is more important than mine. DROP IT.
Skip
1. I have stated in each and every post that it was my opinion (IMHO), although I have supported that directly with the Rules. So why do feel it necessary to state the obvious?
2. I never said or even implied that anyone died and made me God. I am simply quoting the Rules to support my opinion and asking you to do the same.
3. Not once have I stated that my opinion is more important than yours.
4. As usual, you are evading the issue through the use of flame-baiting. I am still waiting for you to show me in the Rules where it says you are permitted to vote "no" on a submission which replaces incorrect data wit correct data because additional (unnecessary) documentation is provided. Hal: The whole attitude you display belies what you say. Else you would not be arguing or castng negative votes. You clearly do believe that your opinion is far more important...you keep repeating it. Mine is Rules based and so is yours...deadlock. Leave it alone and don't push it anymore because you are opening a can of worms that you really don't want to, I know I don't...but i will play the game the way you want, IF outside documentation is acceptable. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Hal:
The whole attitude you display belies what you say. Else you would not be arguing or castng negative votes. You clearly do believe that your opinion is far more important...you keep repeating it. Mine is Rules based and so is yours...deadlock. Leave it alone and don't push it anymore because you are opening a can of worms that you really don't want to, I know I don't...but i will play the game the way you want, IF outside documentation is acceptable.
Skip You claim your "no" vote is "Rules based". I am still waiting for you to show me where in the Rules it says you can vote "no" on a correction of incorrect data because of additional documentation which also supports what the Rules say to do! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh I just had a funny vision, Hal.
"Title corrected per whatever source, it's OK because Hal says so"
Please. I can prove I, Robot, via Coyright Office, the Credit Block and all kinds of sources, including Isaac Asimov's novel. But that isn't waht the rules say, Hal. As I said what I think personally, you can see in my collection. I have even seen reference to to stylized font, how do you define that, with some titles stylization is easy to determine, but in this case we are simply talking about Upper vs Lower case. I don't know how to define stylization without opening yet another can of worms. It looks to me like per the Front Cover it is i, Robot. Unlike the correct change for Robocop, which is really on the cover ROBOCOP, is that a stylized title. How do I distinguish i, Robot from ROBOCOP or any other title, I can't define stylized and I can't accept outside datasources, I can't even accept the Credit Block or the Overview, I can accept the credit block in only one instance, otherwise it is irrelevant.
It really looks to me like Online the title has to be i, Robot, strictly per the Rules and anything else is Local. I am cautious about anything else, because it sets a bad precedent and opens the door to God knows what.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where do the Rules say to take the data from, Hal. ONE place, they do NOT say go here or there to provide additional support or if you think it should be something else. It says "Take the title from the Front Cover PERIOD, end of subject, end of discussion. Anything over and above thatis outside the Rules. IF a possessive is involved I can go to the Credit Block PERIOD anything else is unacceptable.
But I can provide all kinds of backup to a variety of title changes including possessives if outside documentation is OK. It either is OK or it is not and my read of the rules says it is NOT. Now do you REALLY want to go there. I can make LOTS and LOTS of changes, but I follow the Rules and if I don't want to I keep it locally.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where did I say "Title corrected per whatever source, it's OK because Hal says so"
Both a red herring and flame-baiting.
And of course, you still haven't answered the question about where inthe Rules it supports your "no" vote.
If any of those sources support a position that is contrary to what the Rules say, they are worthless. If they supprt what the Rules say then there is no harm in citing them. It certainly does not justify a "no" vote.
Any source that supports the Rules does no harm. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Where do the Rules say to take the data from, Hal. ONE place, they do NOT say go here or there to provide additional support or if you think it should be something else. It says "Take the title from the Front Cover PERIOD, end of subject, end of discussion. Anything over and above thatis outside the Rules. IF a possessive is involved I can go to the Credit Block PERIOD anything else is unacceptable.
But I can provide all kinds of backup to a variety of title changes including possessives if outside documentation is OK. It either is OK or it is not and my read of the rules says it is NOT. Now do you REALLY want to go there. I can make LOTS and LOTS of changes, but I follow the Rules and if I don't want to I keep it locally.
Skip Outside documentation that supprots a change that contradicts the Rules is unacceptable if you are trying to make the change based on that documentation. The Rules take precedence. There is no harm in providing documentation that supports the Rules, and votng "no" because of that is simply wrong, IMHO. The Rules do not provide for a "no" vote base on unnecessary outside documentation! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And you aren't flame baiting, Hal.You most certainly have in EVERY post.
And I have answered your question in great detail. You simply don't like the answer because it results in an opinion which differs from yours and you seenm to thinkj that your opinion Rules.
Hal we can agree toi disagree. you made a comment which i shall not repeat, I'll let you think about it, which was absolutely inflammatory, insulting and flame-baiting. Every comment that you have made has revealed an agenda behind that comment. So please let's agree to disagree and move on. That single ill-advised comment and the agenda behind it guarantees that you have absolutely no chance of changing my mind.
Give it up. Please
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Tony:
Largely on this issue I will keep my opinion to myself.
Skip Unfortunately you haven't. Since saying the above in your first post, you have destroyed any potential for adult debate between all the other users here regarding this issue by swamping the thread 14 further times. The thread has deteriorated to the low level they always do when you get involved. This forum has become a joke and I will follow many other users by keeping away until something positive changes to stop these childish attempts at sabotaging every discussion. My contributions will continue of course, I do care about improving the quality of that. Rich | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Richie: Take note that it was not I that chose the argument. I have had enough of this crap of watching others misbehave in disgusting ways while users like you ignore their behavior and slam me.. Sorry pal it doesn't wash. I voted no and explained why and my overall opinion remains my own. It was not I that deciede to turn it into something else. I would suggest you look at north and Hal. I am not permitted to voice an opinion or even support it a without someone picking a fight and making accusations and then who do you slam. Not the people that picked the argument, that's for damn sure. And to top it off you dare to accuse me of being childish, grow up , richie, how dare you. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | All I will say is that I voted for 'i, Robot'.
To me this matches the cover the closest and follows the rules as I understand them.
In any case, I own this movie and I have kept the title as 'i, Robot' locally. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | And still no reference from you to the Rule that allows you to vote "no" on a contribution that replaces incorrrect data with correct data! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal: If you believe that then...well I have nothing else to say. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
All I will say is that I voted for 'i, Robot'.
To me this matches the cover the closest and follows the rules as I understand them.
In any case, I own this movie and I have kept the title as 'i, Robot' locally. Nice to hear from a "no" voter in this discussion - can I ask - how do you reconcile that decision with other DVD titles that are all in upper or lower case? Are you advocating that we follow the capitalisation of the front cover title? For example: MATRIX RELOADED not Matrix Reloaded, or music within instead of Music Within. If not, why treat this title differently? | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting CubbyUps:
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All I will say is that I voted for 'i, Robot'.
To me this matches the cover the closest and follows the rules as I understand them.
In any case, I own this movie and I have kept the title as 'i, Robot' locally.
Nice to hear from a "no" voter in this discussion - can I ask - how do you reconcile that decision with other DVD titles that are all in upper or lower case?
Are you advocating that we follow the capitalisation of the front cover title? For example: MATRIX RELOADED not Matrix Reloaded, or music within instead of Music Within.
If not, why treat this title differently? Well, I think I can see why: because there is a deliberate unusual capitalization of a single word, and that's a different kettle of fish from, say, an ALL CAPS title. That said, I also believe that the Rules do not provide for such an exception, or at least I can't find that, so I would probably have voted for "I, Robot", and the results of this poll seem to confirm that is the interpretation by most users. Be as it may, a clarification (even better a few examples) by the Powers That Be would be welcome.  I personally wouldn't have objections one way or the other as long as there is a clear rule. p.s. Hal and Skip, pleeeease stop it.  You both made your point very clear, endless repeating is just useless. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Funny that no one has voted for what the cover actually says, it says: i, ROBOT  Or maybe even i,ROBOT | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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