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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
... And I did not say that a sent ID needed to be equal to the already submitted one(s). The ID need only to be sent for comparison in the evaluation screen so users and screeners can make a better judgement if a contribution is legit. so you contribute a existing profile and your Disc-ID is not in the database. what should the screener do? The screener can't know if your contribution should be authorized. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
No, I have no intention in correcting profiles of DVDs I do not own. Why would you block other users from contributing in other profles of the same DVD movie edition? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
so you contribute a existing profile and your Disc-ID is not in the database. what should the screener do? The screener can't know if your contribution should be authorized. Look at what the evaluating users had to say in their comments. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Why would you block other users from contributing in other profles of the same DVD movie edition? I'm not blocking anyone. Only screeners can ( and could) do that. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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so you contribute a existing profile and your Disc-ID is not in the database. what should the screener do? The screener can't know if your contribution should be authorized.
Look at what the evaluating users had to say in their comments. How can other users know if your Disc-ID is a valid one for that DVD? I just know for sure what the ID in my copy is. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thank god, you are out numbered, Martin again. To most of us myself included pre-release data is valuable information used in managing our purchases and the information can and should be minimalist ijn nature.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
How can other users know if your Disc-ID is a valid one for that DVD?
I just know for sure what the ID in my copy is. The contributor needs to tell why he/she thinks or knows the ID of the used DVD is different, if not the evaluating users can indicate that it does not equal theirs and the screeners can base their decission on that. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again, thje disc Id is additional information, and there can often be MULTIPLE disc IDs for a given title and Ken wants to capture that data. Just because your Disc ID is different, Martin, means NOTHING, it means it is a different Disc ID that's it. Even on day of release there can be multiple Disc IDs, so there is no VALIDITY to your idea.
Why is this true? I don't know of any of us inside the industry enough to KNOW that answer for certain. However, the guesses are different pressing plants would likely generate different Disc IDs, for a large release multiple pressing plants are likely used, different pressings (think printings of a book) would also likely generate different disc IDs.
Nice idea, martin, but it doesn't hold water and contradicts what we KNOW and have KNOWN and talked about for YEARS.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
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Quoting kdh1949:
I think it's fair to include the major cast (with no role names) such as might be available in the pre-release publicity. Sometimes I make a decision on whether I want to make a DVD purchase based on who appears in the film. There are a lot of new titles coming out that didn't have a very wide theatrical release (if any) and sometimes I am attracted by who is in the film. I can see your point of view and I do agree with that. I have found myself adding a movie or two that I did not remember the title but a few of the cast members that was list made my decision. When the film was released I bought the dvd and I was very pleased when I watch the dvd. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
In order to prevent users to submit information who do not use the DVD itself as the authoritative source for information, pre-release contributions should not be allowed. Furthermore, submitting new profiles and changes to accepted profiles should only be possible with an inserted disc, and the containing ID should always be sent as a verification method. Right. Maybe we should request fingerprint ID's as well.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 524 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to give the perspective of the screener, in general some minor information is accepted on pre release titles. If someone would submit a pre release with a full cast and/or crew list, I would probably question the validity of that data.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
Just to give the perspective of the screener, in general some minor information is accepted on pre release titles. If someone would submit a pre release with a full cast and/or crew list, I would probably question the validity of that data.
-Gerri Gerri Is there a way that a tick box could be included on the submission screen to indicate that it is a Pre-Release similar to the BY tick box? Which may help the screener/s Steve |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Steve why would that be necessary, i include pre-release in my notes along with all necessary sources for the data, just as if it were a regular Contribution. If I am including afull Cast and crew data list from another of my audited titles, I give that information as well. It's all about creating a "paper" trail on any given title.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | At the moment if you include a BY for Cast / Crew thats not in the DB... you are required to tick the box to state you are suppling info for the inclusion of that BY.
I am suggesting a similar feature for an unrecognised EAN/UPC so the submitter acknoledges the fact that it is a Pre-Release, and being a Pre-Release there should be NO cast/crew etc, as you (and quite a few others) keep saying That Type of Info can only come from the DVD itself.
So therefore the most you would expect (well at least the most I would expect) to see in a Pre-Release contribution is EAN/UPC, Release Date, SRP and any promotional cover scans. If a pre-release contribution contrained cast / crew even partial / main, I personally would question where that info came from. Rules do state from the DVD after all.
I saw one just recently that was on my wish list, that has only come out within the last month that had 90% of the cast already listed, trouble was it was word perfect with IMDb, but the DVD credits although close, were not the same.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Steve:
See my earlier comments about Cast and Crew in pre-releases.
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
I am suggesting a similar feature for an unrecognised EAN/UPC so the submitter acknoledges the fact that it is a Pre-Release, and being a Pre-Release there should be NO cast/crew etc, as you (and quite a few others) keep saying That Type of Info can only come from the DVD itself.
So therefore the most you would expect (well at least the most I would expect) to see in a Pre-Release contribution is EAN/UPC, Release Date, SRP and any promotional cover scans. If a pre-release contribution contrained cast / crew even partial / main, I personally would question where that info came from. Rules do state from the DVD after all.
I see no problem with having the main actors listed for a pre-release film - it can help in deciding if you want to add to your wish list. Then after the DVD comes out it gets updated. | | | | Paul |
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