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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | I dont beleive I quit understand the credited as feature...
A recent vote on Xmen 2 was voted highly to change the name Rebecca Romijn back to her married name. I thought it was already agreed to keep her maiden name. I relize the credit tool says her married name is common but its not her real name. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken has already stated that it's not about "real name"...it's about the most commonly credited. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,316 |
| | Posted: | | | | So you can see for yourself.. Ken himself clarified that he wants the most commonly credited name... Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs. The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.
However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results. That all means it don't matter what the real name is... means that there is no type of standardizing of data... it means all that matters is which form of the name is the most commonly credit... that is to be the common name. And yes we do realize that means the common name can easily change from time to time. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | However this particular case is a bit more complicated as she is no longer married and is now being credited with Rebecca Romijn again.
That means that the number of Rebecca Romijn credits will only increase, whereas her Rebecca Romijn-Stamos credits won't.
Whether that's enough to override the CLT results or not isn't up to me, but I think it should be at least considered and we don't blindly follow the results. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,316 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally don't see how that matters. It is no more complicated then any other female actor's name can become. It just means that it may (even most likely will) change again. But the update is correct one per the rules and Ken's statements... and should not be voted against.
As I have said... we realize that when going by most commonly credited form... that the common names (pretty much any name) can change over time... even multiple times... but most commonly credited is what Ken wants to use at this point... so unless he changes his mind on that subject.. that is all we have to work with. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
However this particular case is a bit more complicated as she is no longer married and is now being credited with Rebecca Romijn again.
That means that the number of Rebecca Romijn credits will only increase, whereas her Rebecca Romijn-Stamos credits won't.
Whether that's enough to override the CLT results or not isn't up to me, but I think it should be at least considered and we don't blindly follow the results. As Pete said what her name is at any given point is completely irrelevant. It is for the most commonly credited name. We can make allowances to allow for a couple of ultural issues, but this has nothing to with culture. Ken's comment on it was exceedingly clear. Once again it is not about anyone's LEGAL name, it is about the name under which they are most commonly credited.God help all of us if it becomes about legal names. Yes, Mike that means you No vote was in error.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rebecca Romijn-Stamos may be still the most commonly used name inside existing credits, but as it can be documented that that name isn't commonly used anymore in real life because of a divorce, we shouldn't add her previous name to existing cast lists with her current name because it pollutes the CLT. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Once again it is not about anyone's LEGAL name, it is about the name under which they are most commonly credited.God help all of us if it becomes about legal names. For strengthening this argument: Noone ever mentions the actor with the LEGAL-name "Nicholas Kim Coppola" common name would be Nicolas Cage. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Or John Wayne=Marion Morrison.  Like I said God help all of us if it becomes Legal name instead of Commonly Credited Name, the Db would quickly become near useless. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just as is true for parsing of names, it is very easy to start talking about Legal Names for people who are either well-known or their Legal name is relatively common knowledge.
But when you drop down in to far less common knowledge, for example George Keefer Brewer, now if we were using legal names how many of you could tell me who that is WITHOUT any research. Imagine that name was just in our name database...who would you link it to. Or how about Gypsie Ann Evarts Stell .
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Those are irrelevant examples - show me a film which credits a Marion Morrison or a Nicholas Kim Coppola.
In this situation, we have credits for both Rebecca Romijn and for Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, and we are likely to see more credits for Rebecca Romijn in the future.
Pete himself has already quoted Ken's statement in which he says that the CLT is not to be blindly trusted.
And to knowlingly change a common name for someone knowing full well that in the future it's possible even likely that we'll only have to change them all back again is frankly ridiculous.
Choosing the more stable common name of Rebecca Romijn seems more practical to me and would not result in any ping-ponging of credit changes further down the line. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've just compared her credits on IMDB and ignoring the video game entries and counting TV series entries only as one title I get 9 titles for Rebecca Romijn-Stamos and 10 entries for Rebecca Romijn and I haven't counted the film currently in production.
Now obviously all these titles may not be on DVD and IMDB is not a source to be blindly trusted, but I think it shows that it's close enough for it to be discussed rationally and not just "cos CLT says so". |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | I fully agree with northbloke's statements. It's useless to add or change a name of an actrice who does not use her former married name anymore. Someone's common name should also be based on reality not just on statistics. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,316 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I've just compared her credits on IMDB and ignoring the video game entries and counting TV series entries only as one title I get 9 titles for Rebecca Romijn-Stamos and 10 entries for Rebecca Romijn and I haven't counted the film currently in production.
Now obviously all these titles may not be on DVD and IMDB is not a source to be blindly trusted, but I think it shows that it's close enough for it to be discussed rationally and not just "cos CLT says so". I have no problem with proving the Credit look-up tool wrong... if that is the case... that is fine... Ken gave us the option to document errors in the look-up tool. What I have a problem with is going against the look-up tool just because we believe it will change later. That I can't get behind as it goes against the rules and Ken's clarification. Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
I fully agree with northbloke's statements. It's useless to add or change a name of an actrice who does not use her former married name anymore. Someone's common name should also be based on reality not just on statistics. This I do not agree with... if the Credit Look-Up Tool correctly shows the married name as most common then that is what we have to use... no matter if it is their real name or not. Ken specifically stated that it is not their real name that he is looking for... but the most commonly credited name So unless Ken changes his mind on that it don't matter what the real name is... whether you, me or anyone else likes it. That is all we have that we are allowed to work with. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | We're not talking about a real name. We're talking about a name which is bound to change or already has changed as a common one now or in the future. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,316 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which doesn't matter as all Ken wants at this time is the most commonly credited name... he was very clear about that and was very clear with the only exception being if the Credit Look-up Tool is documented as being wrong. He did not make any exception for names we believe will change in the near or distant future. | | | | Pete |
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