If there is not a credit that say Executive Producer Dino DeLaurentiis., then the answer is NO. If my meory serves there is no such credit on this film.

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If there is not a credit that say Executive Producer Dino DeLaurentiis., then the answer is NO. Skip

So IF I would have a  Clockwork Orange DVD which open credits say "Stanley Kubrick" with cat size letters or "Stanley Kubrick film" I could not list him as a director, because it doesn't say "Director Stanley Kubrick"??? Dino de Laurentiis IS credited, I just don't know what he actually did for the film. That's why I'm asking IF someone has an version of DVD where he is actually credited as  Executive Producer. If I don't get the confirmation from anyone, I wont credit him.

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So IF I would have a  Clockwork Orange DVD which open credits say "Stanley Kubrick" with cat size letters or "Stanley Kubrick film" I could not list him as a director, because it doesn't say "Director Stanley Kubrick"??? Dino de Laurentiis IS credited, I just don't know what he actually did for the film. That's why I'm asking IF someone has an version of DVD where he is actually credited as  Executive Producer. If I don't get the confirmation from anyone, I wont credit him.

If my memory serves, Dino de Laurentis had nothing to do with the film.  In this case, what you are seeing, is a production company credit.  His daughter produced the film through his production company.

As to your 'A Clockwork Orange' question...if Stanley Kubrick isn't credited with a specific role, then he doesn't get credited.  'A Stanley Kubrick film' could mean anything.

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In effect Kulju, you are tryting to create a Credit where none exists, or seem to be. Just because you see a name does not mean there is a credit,

He is not trying to create any credit. He merely asked for confirmation that de Laurentiis should not be credited.

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walt Disney was seldom if ever given an any kind of credit beyond Walt Disney Presents, he was not credited, therefore we don't either for Contributions.

And yet Walt Disney is credited in more than 300 profiles, mostly as a producer. We have a lot of work to do in order to correct all those profiles.

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And yet Walt Disney is credited in more than 300 profiles, mostly as a producer. We have a lot of work to do in order to correct all those profiles.

Those may be correct. I recently profiled several dutch R2 Disney films and quite a few movies have in the end credits:

"A Walt Disney Production", this is the same as produced by Walt Disney, is it not ??

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As to your 'A Clockwork Orange' question...if Stanley Kubrick isn't credited with a specific role, then he doesn't get credited.  'A Stanley Kubrick film' could mean anything.

Rules about actors: "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role." So you are saying that we can't do the same for crew? I mean if there are separate credits for crew without their "role" in movie or tv-show like:

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person 1
person 2
person 3
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If I can find a reliable source(s) who's doing what, I still can't put them in profile? I know that we must have rules and I respect them, but rules should be for the benefit (accuracy AND usability) of database, not the other way around.

And before you start Skip. No, I'm not against the rules, I don't want to bend 'em and destroy, burn and pollute the whole database. I'M JUST ASKING!

Then follow them, my friend. Don't try to skirt them by trying to apply Cast data Rules to crew data, that section of the Rules is very clearly divided into TWO separate sections and the they also clearly state "Do not contribute uncredited crew members", there is no equivocation, simply put DON'T DO IT Period. Perhaps the future will bring something else, though In seriously doubt it as it might relate to (uncredited) crew.

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And yet Walt Disney is credited in more than 300 profiles, mostly as a producer. We have a lot of work to do in order to correct all those profiles.

Those may be correct. I recently profiled several dutch R2 Disney films and quite a few movies have in the end credits:

"A Walt Disney Production", this is the same as produced by Walt Disney, is it not ??

No that wouldn't be correct, unless it says Produced or Executive Producer Walt Disney. All "A Walt Disney Production" mean is that his company produced the movie.

Eagle is correct.

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And yet Walt Disney is credited in more than 300 profiles, mostly as a producer. We have a lot of work to do in order to correct all those profiles.

Those may be correct. I recently profiled several dutch R2 Disney films and quite a few movies have in the end credits:

"A Walt Disney Production", this is the same as produced by Walt Disney, is it not ??

As Eagle said...wrong answer. You ASSUME to much, just because Disney owned the Company does NOT indicate that he had any personal involvement in Production. He HAD emloyees, same is true for any company, like DeLaurentiis, Warner Bros.(There are not more than a small handful of films where Jack Warner had an actual credit, though he owned one the most prodigious Studios in Hollywood), I can't think of a single film that Louis B. Mayer was credited with, though I am sure there are some.<shivers> Yet another topic that comes up peroidically, that people simply want to try and rationalize their logic instead of just following what the Rules say, which despite what my friend Unicus said, I don['t find them confusing or poorly worded there are SIX very clear words "Do not contribute uncredited crew members"

Further the Rules also state:
"For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section. "

We do not have a Credit for Production or Presents.

I don't mean to to upset you cvere, but this is another case of trying to fit the Rules to meet YOU instead of just going with what they say. What you might wish to do locally is up to you. And none of us will say you nay.

Since Production and Presents either one fall outside of the credits at any rate, I don't see any likelihood of ever being able to do with them. I find it fascinating to see how important people's egos are to them, or how secure they are in their own skin as it were, fdor example Michael Eisner NEVER felt the need to have his ego stroked by on screen credits, very similarly to Walt, Jack and Louis. On the other hand Walt's son-in-law who took over the company after Walt's death had his name On Screen as Executive Producer of nearly every film produced during his tenure. Now was Michael involved in film production...oh, you have no idea, Michael even fancied himself an architect and had a hand in many of the building designs at Walt Disney World...but that is another story.

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