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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Just to settle a litte disagreement...

The rules on cast/crew credits say: "Do not enter union/guild affiliations, such as A.C.E. and B.O.E." Does this also apply to doctors with their "M.D." suffix? Throughout my collection I have a number of cast credits in the form of "Dr. John Doe, M.D." Usually they only have a single "acting" credit, so how they're credited that one time, is by definition their "common name" for DVD Profiler purposes. Does the union/guild affiliations rule apply to those, or is "M.D." considered to be something else?

In short: do we enter a "Dr. John Doe, M.D." credit as "Dr. John Doe, M.D." or simply as "Dr. John Doe"?
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Hasn't this already been hashed out? Union/Guild affiliations apply to crew credits. You are referring to titles appended to Cast credits. Apples and Oranges IMO.
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Hasn't this already been hashed out?

I'm not sure: I'm simply having a disagreement over this with another user, and I haven't been able to find anything conclusive. I'm perfectly happy to go either way, I just want to be consistent, so I'm trying to settle this once and for all.

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Union/Guild affiliations apply to crew credits. You are referring to titles appended to Cast credits. Apples and Oranges IMO.

Look here: the line "Do not enter union/guild affiliations, such as A.C.E. and B.O.E." is under a big "Crew and Cast" header - I really don't see anything to imply that this would only apply to crew credits. Also, I've already encountered an "M.D." suffix in a crew credit as well: a doctor writing a screenplay. So it's certainly not "apples and oranges": it really doesn't seem logic to drop the "M.D." suffix from the man's writing credit, yet to leave it there when he also does a small acting cameo in his own film. That's ridiculous: either we use it, or we don't.
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I definitely agree that it is under both the cast and crew rules... so it definitely applies to both cast and crew.

Now... is M.D. to be considered a union or a guild? That I have no idea. I personally am not familiar with either enough to say.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Now... is M.D. to be considered a union or a guild? That I have no idea. I personally am not familiar with either enough to say.


It is neither a union or a guild - it's a professional qualification.
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Time to link to this thread again.

It refers to military titles but guild/unions are mentioned in the thread.
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Now... is M.D. to be considered a union or a guild? That I have no idea. I personally am not familiar with either enough to say.


It is neither a union or a guild - it's a professional qualification.


Thanks Paul...
In that case I believe M.D. should be included.
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Time to link to this thread again.

It refers to military titles but guild/unions are mentioned in the thread.

I was well aware of that thread - my question was whether "M.D." is a union/guild affiliation. Apparently it's not, so I'll start including them from now on. I just wasn't sure, especially since most users seem to be leaving "M.D." off. I'll give an example: there isn't a single profile out there that credits Neil B. Shulman, M.D. (as shown on-screen) as the writer of 'Doc Hollywood'. Instead, they all just use "Neil B. Shulman". I'll correct my copy now.
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M.D is NOT a union or guild affiliation and this has been covered before.

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M.D is NOT a union or guild affiliation and this has been covered before.

Then why did you leave it out from the 'Doc Hollywood' profile you submitted?

Another good example: the CLT shows 66 profiles for, say, "David Berkson" in E.T., and only 4 (!) profiles using the "M.D." suffix as shown on-screen. Two of those four correct ones are mine, I might add. Again: I'm happy to comply, but it sure seems good that we addressed this, because the outcome is the exact opposite as what most users have been doing. You may feel that this has been covered before, but the database shows that it needs highlighting a little bit...
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??????That profile was last looked at over 3 years ago.

Keep your personal assault elsewhere. This will very definitely get a red arrow. It was more than likely simply overlooked, jerk...but then you don't do FULL audits very often. we will probably now be looking at multiple Contributions from you on this title, like you do others for WEEKS.

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That wasn't meant as any kind of assault, Skip: I was merely trying to show that this issue is not so clear to everyone as you made it seem. A quick look through the database shows that up until now, about 90 to 95% of the users consistently choose to leave the "M.D." suffix out - including both you and me. I was only using a few examples to show that the topic is worthy of a bit more attention than a matter-of-factly "this has been covered before". It may very well have been covered before, but it's obvious that it needed to be highlighted again.
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You were NOT showing any such thing, Tim. it is NOT a guild or union affiliation, yoiu fixed an error..great end of issue. You may have started it the way you describe but your last post was an attack, I am human and I make mistakes and sometimes will overlook something. I have corrected some of your mistakes as well...big deal...should i start pointing them out to you when i find them. The one thing i don't do is try to make bizaare interpretations of the Rules to twist the data, like you do, tim.

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Once again: I was just using the fact that so many users (including me and you) have been doing this wrong, to show that the topic is worthy of a bit of renewed attention. Dismissing problems with a simple "this has been covered before" doesn't fix bad data.

If you want to start a war over that, be my guest. You'll just have to do it on your own - I'm not playing this time.
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Tim:

I would be loath to call a mistake or something which has been overlooked "doing it wrong". I have described his situation numerous times always in the same way and it has recently been backed up by Gerri. It was an error and you fixed it as you should have, good for you, turning it into a personal attack...bad for you.

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Personally I would like to see some fields added to a persons profile to add job titles or military rank and have there names separate.

For instance when adding a new actor you would have the following.

1st field: Job Title (IE Dr. General, Lieutenant etc.)
Rest of name fields the same.
Last field: Second part of Job title, military branch - if appears on screen (IE M.D. or U.S.M.C.)

Their actor name would be without the job titles or military branch, so if they appear in another profile you can simply enter just their name. But when shown in the dvd profile it would appear just as it does onscreen with job titles or military branch intact.

This would eliminate the problem whether or not job titles or military rank is part of their name or not, they would be completely separate from their real name.

I hope that made sense.
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