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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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I know wich actor is wich in my database and the way to do it now is problematic, seriously you must invent a middle initial or make a volontary typo in the name.

I don't get this. If it's local only, why don't you just add invented birthyears like 0001, 0002, etc. instead of invent a middle initial or make a volontary typo in the name 
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Because I don't want to see Joe Whatever (1) in the credit of a film... What I want is kind of like the birthdate system with a local identifier that would be invisible in the cast / crew credit, so Joe Whatever (1) would appear as Joe Whatever and Joe Whatever (2) would appear as Joe Whatever. Except that when I will click on the name only the credits of the good one will be linked...

Don't see what is hard to understand in the fact of wanting a real solution for our online database with no effects whatsoever on the online database
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Because I don't want to see Joe Whatever (1) in the credit of a film...

Then we propably use some sort of different layout since I don't see BYs listed on Cast/Crew lists. Only if I double click an actor to see all his credits.
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Don't see what is hard to understand in the fact of wanting a real solution for our online database with no effects whatsoever on the online database

Now I'm confused. You wan't a solution to our online database that doesn't have any effect to our online database
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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I will have to fire my editor... too bad it's me 

Just didn't catch the double before posting. Of course what I wanted to write is : "wanting a real solution for our personal database with no effects whatsoever on the online database".

But I'm sure you deduced it by yourself and decide to tease with that anyway
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I am not sure how you would allow it for your local, without effecting the online (unless you chose to forgo any online activity for cast and crew).

I think that there would have to be an online component to cast and crew entries, to solve the issues that we have.


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I am not sure how you would allow it for your local, without effecting the online

You know I hope that some fields aren't contribuable in a profile?
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I am not sure how you would allow it for your local, without effecting the online

You know I hope that some fields aren't contribuable in a profile?


My only question is this.

Lets take a relatively unknown and common name , Joe Smith

There aren't any BY's to be found to differentiate between 2 different people. 

In the online, therefor, there is only 1 Joe Smith
Locally, you differentiate by some means (right now numbers inserted into BY's)

Considering, a big design component of the software is the Online, shared DB, how would you resolve

1.  downloading a new profile with Joe Smiith (1 Online, 2 Locally)
2. Uploading a profile

Now for you, that may not be a big deal, for you may very well choose not to use the online for cast and crew (not a big deal), but considering the actual base design of the program involves a shared DB, I really think that needs to be taken into consideration.

If implemented properly, considering a large criticism of the program involves name linking, would resolve your issues and would not need to be kept locally, and you would be able to share in the labor of others.

Just an opinion.
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and that won't change anything in the online database. Joe Smith will be Joe Smith as the personal field won't be contribuable.

As I said numerous times already : It's a personal identifier to help with our personal database because we know who is who in our database. In fact this is not different than the personal name parsing is already...

DVDP isn't only online you know...
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I don't understand what you need Jimmy. Since it's for your local database only, should anyone else do anything?

It seems to me that it might be really difficult to do because wouldn't everyone's local data be affected if invelos makes those changes?

I know you don't like to use a false BY but wouldn't it be better to just figure out a way to organize those people the way you want to?

From reading about this issues in the forums, the little bit I picked up is to fix or implement this type of thing would need a big change in the way the database works.

If so, then I would like that data to be done so that it is available online too so everyone could have access to it if they wanted it.
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I have to concur with the others, jimmy. It seems to me since you are talking about local. The existing system could be adapted to your needs. The by data 
could be used, you could assign your own by, but then your data would not be cintributable. You could use the tags as well, they are not contributable and are searchable and hjerarchial.
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I don't understand what you need Jimmy. Since it's for your local database only, should anyone else do anything?

You know that I can even confused myself sometimes

This is what I imagine visually :


The ID number would be just another possible way to use to make a distinction between two persons or more with the same name in our database. It doesn't need to be contribuable and, as I wrote already, I don't see what is the big deal with that at all. Yes it's an offline thing, but a non contribuable field doesn't affect the online database in any way.

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The by data could be used, you could assign your own by, but then your data would not be cintributable.

Not it doesn't... I have already wrote that I don't want fictional data in my database and a false birthdate is fictional.
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Maybe I'm Dense...

What do you want to attach the ID to?

The only thing I can figure, is the cast/crew member.  If you do that then you create a second entry into the db.

entry 1
Joe Smith 12345

Entry 2
Joe Smith 54321.

If this is the case, then every member that you assign an ID to, will become non contributable (not just the ID, but the entire member record) unless an online component is also created.

Is this what you are proposing???  

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I guess it sounds like it...

Except as I said the field wouldn't be contribuable and would be ignored in the contributing process.

So for the online database


would be the same person as the First Name, Last Name, Middle Name and Birthdate are the same.

The distinction would happen only in the user database when he/she set an ID Number for the name and this distinction would be local only.
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But why should it be non-contributable and local only. That just doesn't make sense. That sends users off doing their own thing instead of being able to data share. Sounds to Mr like it weakens the whole system.
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I don't see the benefit, this database is a cooperative effort among thousandsd of users. I don't understand what benefit is derived if marilyn monroe is 000002 in jimmys db, 575 in mine,  34675 in charlies and. 8654  in kathys how does help us as a group.
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I see what you mean now Jimmy, thanks for the picture, visuals always make it easier for me.

I don't know if it is feasable but if this were to be implimented I would like it to be not just for someone's local database but online too.

This sounds a lot like what others have discussed about the limitations in the program when it comes to names and linking them.

Because I'm computer illiterate I don't understand exactly what it entails, but I think this would require invelos to undergo a major overhaul to implement.

Who knows, maybe Ken is working on it as we speak! 
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