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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Right now it's entered as "30th Anniversary Edition Gift Set". Should the edition be just from the front cover? So just "30th Anniversary Edition". Or can we take it from the back synopsis? So "Limited Edition 30th Anniversary 2-Disc Gift Set". FYI: There is also a stand alone "30th Anniversary Edition" dvd release in a keep case. So if we have both listed as "30th Anniversary Edition" that could lead to confusion. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I know we can take it from anywhere on the case.... but the rules say if it don't match any of the editions already built in the program it must be put in to match the case. So as is must be wrong as that text is a combination of 2 different texts on the case... is no where on the case as it is input.
Now the problem is what to use. From what I can tell the rules don't cover this. But I personally would say go with the front cover. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I know we can take it from anywhere on the case.... but the rules say if it don't match any of the editions already built in the program it must be put in to match the case. So as is must be wrong as that text is a combination of 2 different texts on the case... is no where on the case as it is input.
Now the problem is what to use. From what I can tell the rules don't cover this. But I personally would say go with the front cover. But there is a stand alone keep case edition with that edition. That wouldn't separate them in the online database as they would share the same edition. Quote: The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard edition, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. I bolded the parts that I think points to using the back cover as it would distinguish this edition from the stand alone 30th Anniversary Edition. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules do not prohibit combining text in order to get an edition that helps to distinguish between the two different releases. Since there are two 30th Anniversary editions, one a gift set, the other a stand alone, I don't see a problem combining the text. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to disagree.... since the rules say if not using a built in to take the text from the box... the text "Limited Edition 30th Anniversary 2-Disc Gift Set" is no where on the box. I personally would vote no to combining 2 different sets of text to form text that is no where on the box. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I have to disagree.... since the rules say if not using a built in to take the text from the box... the text "Limited Edition 30th Anniversary 2-Disc Gift Set" is no where on the box. I personally would vote no to combining 2 different sets of text to form text that is no where on the box. Back cover |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I would have to find it but when discussing and creating the rule Ken said that it had to be prominently displayed on the cover... so a sentence in the overview would not be good enough for the edition field. It was one of the things he made clear when making it from the front cover only to anywhere on the box. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole:Quote: Edition helps distinguish between different releases, but it does not bear the full responsibility of that differentiation. Per the rule, use the built-in editions when applicable, but tread lightly when stepping out of those choices. When considering non-standard edition text, make sure it both:
- Help to differentiate versions - AND- - Is prominently displayed on the front cover.
Any other interpretation of this rule starts us down the path to things like "Avatar: The Slightly Taller Version with the Blue Sticker" Which we later got him to change to anywhere on the box | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Where in the rules does it state that the edition has to be from the front cover?
If the overview isn't good enough what about the much larger text below that "Limited Edition Gift Set"? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | As I already said he changed it later from front only to entire box.
And once again... to do so you would have to combine 2 sets of texts to get it so I would vote no as it is against how I understand the rule and Ken's clarifications for that field.
Now if Ken wants to come in and either say I am mis-reading him or change his clarifications that is fine... till then I have to go by how I read the rules and his statements. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | As you pointed out he changed his mind and said that it can come from the entire box.
Since there is already another 30th Anniversary Edition release how does entering this set with that same edition help to distinguish between different releases of the same title?
I also don't understand you saying "you would have to combine 2 sets of texts to get it" when that isn't the case when the much more descriptive edition is right there in the overview. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | He never showed any indication of going back on it being prominently displayed. I can only give you my opinion on how the rules and clarifications have always read to me. Which dictates how I vote and contribute. From there you gotta do what you gotta do. But if it is part of the overview it is not prominently displayed, IMHO.
Just like any other rules/clarification... without additional input from Ken I gotta go with the way I understand it and you gotta go with the way you understand it. I can just give my opinion/understanding of it all. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Can you answer this question that I asked above? Quote: Since there is already another 30th Anniversary Edition release how does entering this set with that same edition help to distinguish between different releases of the same title? Stand alone dvd release. I think that it's clear that these are not the same edition. One is a basic release and the other came in a unique case with a yearbook. The latter also had a much higher SRP and Universal clearly referred to it as a gift set on the back in two different locations. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | To say it plain and simple... that is besides the point... to use anything for the edition... per Ken's statement it must not only distinguish between 2 releases but also be prominently displayed. So if it isn't both things... then it can not be used. That is how I read the rules and his statements on the edition field. So that is what has to dictate my voting and contributions. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,641 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: Since there is already another 30th Anniversary Edition release how does entering this set with that same edition help to distinguish between different releases of the same title? Isn't that the whole point of the UPC? How many people will have both 30th Anniversary Editions anyway and even if they did it would be pretty easy to distinguish the two based on the cover art alone. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Do you agree that these are two separate releases? Do you agree that each one is unique in nature? The following is the complete section in the rules regarding the Edition field. Quote: Edition The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard edition, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
Edition is generally displayed on the front cover, but may also be gathered from the back cover if present.
Do not enter media types (such as "Blu-Ray + DVD + Digital Copy") into the edition or title field. Where in that is the word prominently? In regards to Ken's statements, well until they are in the official rules then they aren't actually part of the rules. He's had years to update the rules to include any such statements and he hasn't done that yet, so until he does they aren't a rule. |
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