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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorprimetime21
Registered: October 4, 2008
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Hi Everyone,

I'm having a hard time understanding why people add features and other information from a child profile of a combo (Blu-ray/DVD, UHD/Blu-ray, etc.) in the main profile.  It seems to fly in the face of this:

Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

I for one find it misleading to have features listed on a main profile that aren't on the disc or associated with that media version of the film.  Granted this says HD and I know something like a UHD/Blu-ray profile are both HD, but they are "multiple media types" and the above just lists Blu-ray/DVD as an example, so it stands to reason they would fall under the same rules.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorjurgen42u
Registered: May 22, 2007
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I abandoned subprofiles recently because most of them are maintained badly.
For a reason I even would prefer a basic main (empty) profile such as used for boxsets for multiple movies and have a subprofile for every featuring disc inside the combo.
This would outrule all common mistakes or problems which currently occur.
The rule of UHD overrules BD and BD overrules DVD is than useless.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
Registered: March 18, 2007
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For one, the child profiles are optional and thus not everyone uses them.  The main profile has always served as the container for the features found on a given release.  It's similar to how we include all media types for a release in the main profile.

"entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked".
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorObiKen
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Excluding bonus feature films, my understanding is that "checking multiple media types" flags the profile as a "combo set" and ALLOWS the creation of OPTIONAL child profiles in a standard main feature profile.  Don't check them then you cannot create a child profile.

With regards to normal profile and bonus material, my understanding is it is limited to the following types:
- standard single main feature profile for a SINGLE disc with main feature/bonus material.
- standard 2-Disc set single main feature profile with main feature/bonus material on disc 1 and bonus material ONLY on disc 2.

A combo set is neither a box set nor does it contain a "bonus feature film".

It cannot be treated as a 2-Disc set because the second disk is not bonus material ONLY, it comprises a "main feature" with bonus material and is subject to its own profile (which is optional in the combo set rules).

In the case of a 4K/Blu-ray combo set, the bonus material found on the Blu-ray disc is associated to the main feature found on the Blu-ray disc and would be subject to the standard rules for any single main feature profile.

So that leaves the 4K disc to be subject to a standard single main feature profile on a single disc, which is exactly what is written in the combo set rules.

Primetime21's understanding of the combo set rules is correct.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
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Quoting rdodolak:
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For one, the child profiles are optional and thus not everyone uses them.  The main profile has always served as the container for the features found on a given release.  It's similar to how we include all media types for a release in the main profile.

"entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked".


Perhaps that should change.

Have where child profiles for Blu-Ray/DVD or 4K Blu-Ray/Blu-Ray or any combination thereof, would be automatically downloaded.
That would solve this problem, hopefully.

I also like jurgen42u's idea,
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For a reason I even would prefer a basic main (empty) profile such as used for boxsets for multiple movies and have a subprofile for every featuring disc inside the combo.


Why? Cause I think it would more correctly reflect what is on each disc. Right now features that are only found on the lesser quality format, be it a DVD in a combo pack or a Blu-Ray in a 4K combo pack, are included on the superior formats profile. Making it appear that the higher quality format disc has those features, when in fact it doesn't.
This is especially true of the 4K format when only the Blu-Ray in the combo pack has the vast majority of features, whereas the 4K disc itself either doesn't have any or has way less. But the combo profile makes it appear that the 4K disc actually does have all of those features as well. Which doesn't reflect reality at all.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorjurgen42u
Registered: May 22, 2007
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I've always threated the main profile as the general profile or total of the content inside of the release, not the highest in quality.
Then for, You can create 2 subprofiles, one for 4k, one for BD, each containing there extra's, audiotracks.
I find it also misleading that a main profile only contains the info for only the highest quality disc, as the BD doesn't contain the audiotracks/subs etc of the 4K.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
Registered: March 18, 2007
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Quoting CubbyUps:
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Quoting rdodolak:
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For one, the child profiles are optional and thus not everyone uses them.  The main profile has always served as the container for the features found on a given release.  It's similar to how we include all media types for a release in the main profile.

"entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked".


Perhaps that should change.

Have where child profiles for Blu-Ray/DVD or 4K Blu-Ray/Blu-Ray or any combination thereof, would be automatically downloaded.
That would solve this problem, hopefully.

I also like jurgen42u's idea,
Quote:
For a reason I even would prefer a basic main (empty) profile such as used for boxsets for multiple movies and have a subprofile for every featuring disc inside the combo.


Why? Cause I think it would more correctly reflect what is on each disc. Right now features that are only found on the lesser quality format, be it a DVD in a combo pack or a Blu-Ray in a 4K combo pack, are included on the superior formats profile. Making it appear that the higher quality format disc has those features, when in fact it doesn't.
This is especially true of the 4K format when only the Blu-Ray in the combo pack has the vast majority of features, whereas the 4K disc itself either doesn't have any or has way less. But the combo profile makes it appear that the 4K disc actually does have all of those features as well. Which doesn't reflect reality at all.


I would disagree with this as the current implementation is horrible.  What I would agree to is a release profile and a disc profile (different from what we have today).  A disc profile would allow you to catalog disc specific features/content, but without all of the redundant release profile fields which tends to lead to duplicate data or an empty shell.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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Registered: May 26, 2007
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Easy solution - if the feature is only available on the child profile disc, we could include a note in the "other features" section for the parent profile (like "commentary on blu-ray disc only" for 4k profiles, or what have you).  That way people know from the parent profile that it's on the other disc if they don't want to download the child profile disc.  Keeps the child profile optional but also conveys the information.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRizor
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Hi Everyone,

I'm having a hard time understanding why people add features and other information from a child profile of a combo (Blu-ray/DVD, UHD/Blu-ray, etc.) in the main profile.  It seems to fly in the face of this:

Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

I for one find it misleading to have features listed on a main profile that aren't on the disc or associated with that media version of the film.  Granted this says HD and I know something like a UHD/Blu-ray profile are both HD, but they are "multiple media types" and the above just lists Blu-ray/DVD as an example, so it stands to reason they would fall under the same rules.


For main profiles, we profile the UPC, not the disc ID. The main profile has all the disc formats checked off (be they UHD, Blu-ray, or DVD). And I think it makes sense to include all the special features found in that UPC on the UPC's profile. Per the rules, it makes sense to just keep the video, audio, subtitle specs set to the highest quality format. After all, I'm not buying a 4K UHD set to watch the Blu-ray version of the movie. But I do consider the special features that might be on the Blu-ray disc to be part of that 4K UHD set that I bought.
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