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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Trying to figure why 2 out of the 3 contributions for a box set might've been declined. Now, I did resubmit with some additional info but figured I would ask here just in case. Below is a screen capture. Also approved was the box set itself.  Should note, this is a box set from Vinegar Syndrome and if anyone has every bought one from them, those generally do not have UPCs, instead the titles inside have the same UPCs, thus submitted as the parent with those UPCs and child with their disc IDs (which had been done at least once in the past, and approved, with the Amityville: Cursed Objects Collection from VS). Just curious if I maybe am missing something or if there is another way to contribute and it was done incorrecting before with the aforementioned Amityville set. And as an update, resubmitted with these notes: I will try this again. New contribution. Info came from the back cover. This is part of the Forgotten Gialli: Volume 1 release. Scans were done by me. The UPCs are the same on all three titles in this collection and thus being submitted via disc IDs, just like the Amityville: Cursed Objects collection, also released by Vinegar Syndrome. And almost automatically declined. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I dunno... but I will say I always put that it is a box set child profile in the notes... never had one declined that way. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I dunno... but I will say I always put that it is a box set child profile in the notes... never had one declined that way. Okay, probably should have put that extra line in there. The only thing I can think of is, maybe I could use alternate UPCs for each one? IDK, as I said, I submitted this the same way as the Amityville: Cursed Objects collection (UPC 814456022338 for anyone who wants to look at it) as it's packaged exactly the same way. Anyway, maybe third time's the charm. I did add in that is a child profile so we'll see. I hate that the declined notes are so generic. I get why, however. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| | Registered: February 19, 2012 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 106 |
| | Posted: | | | | Last time I had something similar I used this as the notes:
"All details taken from parent. Full cast and crew taken directly from on-screen credits.
NB - Profile uses same EAN as existing profile for parent (two films on one disc - profile submitted in accordance with the rules).
Cast/Crew from: Full cast and crew taken directly from on-screen credits."
It was accepted. I find that the more detailed my notes are when I'm doing something out of the norm, the submission is more likely to be accepted. |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | Probably because the covers do have a UPC number, and it appears you submitted with Disc IDs, although all three have the same UPC. I would try alternate UPCs since the covers have a UPC on them. |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Probably because the covers do have a UPC number, and it appears you submitted with Disc IDs, although all three have the same UPC. I would try alternate UPCs since the covers have a UPC on them. Might have to go that route, I just did it that way since an almost exact set, from the same studio, one where all four movies included had the same UPCs and submitted and approved via Disc IDs. Thing is, the first movie of this set, which I submitted with a Disc ID, was approved using the same contribution notes... | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| | Registered: May 25, 2007 | | Posts: 127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
Thing is, the first movie of this set, which I submitted with a Disc ID, was approved using the same contribution notes... I once had half a set of child profiles accepted and the other half declined. My bet is part of your submission was evaluated by one person who approved them, and then a second person took over for the rest and declined those. |
| | Registered: May 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 43 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had the same problem two days ago with season profiles for the Twilight Zone boxset 4-020628-842581 and the Naked Gun Trilogy 5-053083-184247.
Cloned for the season packages resp. the three movies (which are on one disc).
First try received for all subsets this answer: The UPC/EAN of the contributed cover scan does not match the profile's UPC/EAN.
Well, if you clone and the clones receive the #1, #2 etc., of course it cannot have the same UPC. And if you have a season subset with separate covers and without UPC, it also cannot work.
Re-submitted with more extensive description and got rejected again. Without any explanation.
Now did I do something wrong or is there someone alive who decides this and you can talk to or is this a lifeless algorithm rejecting?
Thanks for your advice? | | | | Last edited: by The_Fox |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The_Fox: Quote:
I had the same problem two days ago with season profiles for the Twilight Zone boxset 4-020628-842581 and the Naked Gun Trilogy 5-053083-184247. Foe the Naked Gun Trilogy the separate movie profiles should be entered with Disc ID (one regular Disc ID, two Alternate Disc IDs). The rules don't really cover the season profiles case, but my impression is that they should be entered with the Disc ID of the first disc of each season, unless they are packaged separately with their own UPCs, but I assume that this is not the case. I may well be wrong about this, so I'm sure someone will correct me if I am. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Ken,
I do have one question that hopefully you can advise us on.
We have instances where there is a conflict between using the disc ID of the first disc in a single season TV season for the "child profile" just for the first disc in that season, and that same disc ID is needed to profile the entire season when that season is a child of a "Complete Series" of a TV show.
Can you provide some guidance on this please?
My initial thought is that in either case, disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc. How often does this occur? Since we don't have grandchild profiles at the moment, how do you enter them currently. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
The rules don't really cover the season profiles case, but my impression is that they should be entered with the Disc ID of the first disc of each season, unless they are packaged separately with their own UPCs, but I assume that this is not the case. I may well be wrong about this, so I'm sure someone will correct me if I am. The contribution rules do address this, indeed ( click!): if the individual seasons each have a distinct UPC/EAN, then the box-set rules are applied, treating each season/series like a single film. That means, for instance, that no cast and crew goes into the parent profile. If the individual seasons do not have distinct UPC's/EAN's, then all data, for all seasons, is profiled in the main profile - without child profiles for the individual seasons. In either scenario, adding disc-level profiles is allowed, but not required: they're optional. But it's the presence or lack of distinct UPC's/EAN's that decides whether there can be season-level child profiles or not. |
| | Registered: May 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 43 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for the replies.
I summarize my understanding:
The "subsets", be it films on 1 disc or seasons without UPC in a all-season boxset, have to be entered by disc IDs resp. by alternate disc IDs from that.
the profiles can be entered on this alternate disc IDs. The cover scan can be the real one and does not (wrongly) have to be the box's one.
Now my basic question: How the heck di I get the disc ID? My PC only has a DVD, not a BD drive. Is there an alternate way?
And if I would take an existing disc ID, how do I enter it manually? The menu only allows the reading of the disc ID, not a manual entry?
Thanks again. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only way is with a blu ray drive | | | | Pete |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The_Fox: Quote:
I summarize my understanding:
The "subsets", be it films on 1 disc or seasons without UPC in a all-season boxset, have to be entered by disc IDs resp. by alternate disc IDs from that. That's not entirely accurate, no. "Seasons without UPC in a all-season boxset" do not get season-level, Disc-ID-based profiles in any way. Disc-level profiles are allowed (though not required), but season-level profiles are simply not allowed. Quote:
The cover scan can be the real one and does not (wrongly) have to be the box's one. That depends not just on what you consider to be the "real" one, but first and foremost on the exact configuration of the set. Quote:
Now my basic question: How the heck di I get the disc ID? My PC only has a DVD, not a BD drive. Is there an alternate way? If you don't have a Blu-ray drive, then that's the end of it. There's no alternative. Quote:
And if I would take an existing disc ID, how do I enter it manually? The menu only allows the reading of the disc ID, not a manual entry? Indeed it doesn't - you can't enter it manually. There's no alternative. For your local database, DVD Profiler does let you add custom profiles, but those cannot be contributed into the online database. However, if you want to create season-level profiles for a box set where those seasons don't have UPC's/EAN's, then using custom local-only profiles is a perfectly viable option, as those season-level profiles couldn't be contributed anyway. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,230 |
| | Posted: | | | | As others have said, I generally put something like "New child profile. All details from parent profile (insert EAN/UPC) and opening/end credits."
By specifying it's a child profile and pointing out the identity of its parent, the screeners know why the images don't match the identifier (disc ID). |
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