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Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | From the rules: "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. "
But my Banacek Season 2 contribution was rejected for using another source for the roles.
Let's be consistent, please. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Resubmit amd cite the Rule along with the rest of your notes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 13,201 |
| Posted: | | | | I have made plenty of contributions this way. All I do is state that the actors did not have roles credited, so I used other sources to get them. It then list, at least, two of the sources I used. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 524 |
| Posted: | | | | It was declined because your comments said that you used IMDB for those shows that you hadn't watched. IMDB is not a valid source.
-Gerri | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm sorry, Gerri, but I'm having a hard time finding where in the rules it excludes IMDB wholesale, or even where this particular rule states that "All other sources except IMDB must be used"
Also I should make it clear that the list of Cast and Crew were all from the DVD, only a few role names were checked against IMDB. In most cases, that was only about four or five role names per episode. |
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Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote: I'm sorry, Gerri, but I'm having a hard time finding where in the rules it excludes IMDB wholesale, or even where this particular rule states that "All other sources except IMDB must be used"
Also I should make it clear that the list of Cast and Crew were all from the DVD, only a few role names were checked against IMDB. In most cases, that was only about four or five role names per episode. From the rules introduction; Please don't submit content from a third party database | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: From the rules introduction;
Please don't submit content from a third party database and from the Credits: Cast section: Quote: If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
| | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
From the rules introduction;
Please don't submit content from a third party database There is an exception to this Rule as pointed out in Leiterfluid's first post: Quoting the Rules: Quote: If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. Nowhere in the Rules does it specifically exclude IMDb for this purpose. | | | Hal |
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![DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrant DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrant](/images/PUB.PNG) ![Star Contributor Star Contributor](/images/PSC.PNG) | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Berak:
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From the rules introduction;
Please don't submit content from a third party database
There is an exception to this Rule as pointed out in Leiterfluid's first post:
Quoting the Rules:
Quote: If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role.
Nowhere in the Rules does it specifically exclude IMDb for this purpose. Nor does it say that it is OK to use third party databases as a source.. Since the rules specifically prohibits use of third party databases in it's introduction, I read "another source" as anything but third party databases. ![](/images/emoticons/sweating.gif) | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! | | | Last edited: by Berak |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Berak:
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From the rules introduction;
Please don't submit content from a third party database
There is an exception to this Rule as pointed out in Leiterfluid's first post:
Quoting the Rules:
Quote: If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role.
Nowhere in the Rules does it specifically exclude IMDb for this purpose.
Nor does it say that it is OK to use third party databases as a source..
Since the rules specifically prohibits use of third party databases in it's introduction, I read "another source" as anything but third party databases. ![](/images/emoticons/sweating.gif) Please list for me "another source", readily available, that would not be a third party database. And pray tell, where do you get SRP, release date and CoO data from? | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules as written do not allow this submission. From the submitted notes for this contribution: "IMDB was used only for those episodes I haven't watched yet". The rules specifically state that the cast list must come from the DVD credits directly. It allows the roles from another source, but not the cast list. Therefore, the decline was per rules and stands.
The role issue is not related to this contribution decline, however it does require clarification. I have added a specific clarification that should prevent confusion. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks Ken, never that we doubted -Gerri. Quote: If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, third party commercial databases must not be used. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: The rules as written do not allow this submission. From the submitted notes for this contribution: "IMDB was used only for those episodes I haven't watched yet". The rules specifically state that the cast list must come from the DVD credits directly. It allows the roles from another source, but not the cast list. Therefore, the decline was per rules and stands.
The role issue is not related to this contribution decline, however it does require clarification. I have added a specific clarification that should prevent confusion. Thanks for the clarification in the rules Ken! That is exactly how I understood it to mean. Normally when there is no role name I will just leave the role blank in profiler. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: The rules as written do not allow this submission. From the submitted notes for this contribution: "IMDB was used only for those episodes I haven't watched yet". The rules specifically state that the cast list must come from the DVD credits directly. It allows the roles from another source, but not the cast list. Therefore, the decline was per rules and stands.
The role issue is not related to this contribution decline, however it does require clarification. I have added a specific clarification that should prevent confusion. Thanks for the clarification, however, this restriction is going to make it very difficult to "document" the entry of rolenames that are not in the actual credits. Perhaps we need to start a thread listing resources that are permissible and readily available to capture this data, which I believe to be very important! | | | Hal |
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![DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrant DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrant](/images/PUB.PNG) ![Star Contributor Star Contributor](/images/PSC.PNG) | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! |
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