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Studios from credits or case
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantGraveworm
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I did try a search but not sure if this has been covered. Just a quick one, I have always thought that studios still come from the credits only media companies from the cover as a 3.5 addition. I just had to go back over a few contributions where the production studios were being changed to the ones listed on the case (At first I thought they were just changes to the media company as the source was "taken from cover"). Either I am wrong in which case I have time to change them or the submitter has misunderstood the rules in which case they have with the best intentions mistakenly changed a good few profiles that I know of and probably loads which we don't share.
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The rules don't make it clear. The full ruling on studios is as follows -

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Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

    * Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    * Production Company(s)

Enter the DVD publishing company which is usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits.

Do not abbreviate Studio names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney or Disney DVD. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.

Omit company suffixes such as LLC, Ltd., Inc.

Omit any locality-specific suffix. e.g. Enter Paramount Home Entertainment, not Paramount Home Entertainment (UK)

There is further information about correct names for studios, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum.


That only gives us the order that they should be listed in, not where they come from.
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That much I knew, I suppose I thought that the best source for the theatrical release studios has always been accepted as the Film credits.
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That much I knew, I suppose I thought that the best source for the theatrical release studios has always been accepted as the Film credits.

Unfortunately, the credits don't always show the "correct names for studios" the rules say we're after.
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That much I knew, I suppose I thought that the best source for the theatrical release studios has always been accepted as the Film credits.

You thought correctly.  From this part of the rules, bold by me:

The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.

In addition to that, the very next page says:

Read the prior Contribution Notes. They will give you information about contributions that other users have made. There are two specific things that you need to be particularly aware of:
  • Have other users verified discrepancies between the cover and the actual disc information? If so do not contribute the incorrect box information again.


  • That tells me that data from the case should not replace data that has been documented as coming from the DVD itself.
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    Quoting T!M:
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    That much I knew, I suppose I thought that the best source for the theatrical release studios has always been accepted as the Film credits.

    Unfortunately, the credits don't always show the "correct names for studios" the rules say we're after.



    Based on the Rules, how do you come to that conclusion. And how do you define correct names, is it some random common name created by you, is it the legal name of the Studio, is it based on the Actual film credits for a given film, or some fiction.

    Since everything we do is based on ACTUAL data from the DVD, then the On Screen credits would be the determining factor and while from film to film we may not see much change, era to era we certainly will see variations in Studio names which are historically very important. While an alias system might be useful, a system such as we have for Cast and crew I NEVER want to see. Studios are subject to even more variation internationally than Cast and Crew and I do not wish to the database ravaged by a renegade user who has decided that the Studio data is the same across all copies and versions of a film.

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    Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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    ...and I do not wish to the database ravaged by a renegade user who has decided that the Studio data is the same across all copies and versions of a film.


    And here we go again, and again , and again...   
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    What, you think I am referring to someone in particular. You want to provide a list? There are at least a half-dozen users i am aware of who could fit this bill, surfeur.

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    Unfortunately, the credits don't always show the "correct names for studios" the rules say we're after.

    Based on the Rules, how do you come to that conclusion.

    I quoted the "correct names for studios" bit right from the rules - the rules are all I'm basing it on.

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    And how do you define correct names [...]

    I wouldn't presume to define anything. Unfortunately, the rules don't either. They just throw that term ("correct names for studios") at us, and they go on to point to the forums "to ask questions if unsure". All that is certainly a far cry from "just enter what you see on the screen", which Ken could have easily put there if he wanted to, but didn't - and rightly so, of course.
    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantGraveworm
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    We are not talking about the correct name for studios here but the actual studios and the order of the studios. In a few examples I have seen contributed and have personally checked the box differs from the opening credits. Which one do we go with?
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    In a few examples I have seen contributed and have personally checked the box differs from the opening credits. Which one do we go with?

    If there are completely different studios listed on the cover and in the film credits, I'd go with the ones from the credits every time. If they're just name variants for the same companies, then, per the rules, you'd have to pick the "correct" variant - whatever that may be. You'd have to come up with the specifics for any help with that. But again, if the cover simply shows entirely different companies as those seen in the credits, I'd simply go with those from the credits.
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    We are not talking about the correct name for studios here but the actual studios and the order of the studios. In a few examples I have seen contributed and have personally checked the box differs from the opening credits. Which one do we go with?

    I think the rules are quite clear here.  The data from the DVD takes precedence.
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    That much I knew, I suppose I thought that the best source for the theatrical release studios has always been accepted as the Film credits.

    Can't different countries have different theatrical releasing studio?  I know a lot of Studio Canal/US studio releases got released by Studio Canal in Europe and US studio in the US.  Production studio/s, OTOH has to be the same.
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    I also wanted to confirm this...

    A lot of Alliance releases in Canada list Alliance Films in the credits on the back, usually the first one listed.  But when watching the credits Alliance is nowhere to be found.  Just wanted to confirm that the film credits are the correct source and Alliance should be listed as the media company (in the name listed, as it changes quite a bit for them)
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    Studios from the film credits (and indeed, theatrical release studios may vary, depending on the cut that was used for the DVD, whereas production companies should be the same). Media Companies, however, can usually be taken from the back cover. Usually they also come up first when you pop in the disc (i.e. before starting the actual film).
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    Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
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    I also wanted to confirm this...

    A lot of Alliance releases in Canada list Alliance Films in the credits on the back, usually the first one listed.  But when watching the credits Alliance is nowhere to be found.  Just wanted to confirm that the film credits are the correct source and Alliance should be listed as the media company (in the name listed, as it changes quite a bit for them)


    Alliance is generally just the media company. I think I own four, maybe five, releases where Alliance appears during the film credits. They usually have nothing to do with the actual film and only act as the distributor of the dvd/blu-ray. If it's not in the credits and only on the back, I've always listed it in the media companies section.
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