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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Hello, this time let us stay civil about the Stereo - Surround discussion. I recently discovered the BD-Info Tool, which is a freeware tool that tells you everything about a Blu-Ray. Here is a screenshot: This is for the Pelham 123 Blu-ray, as that tool clearly states the commentary tracks are encoded Dolby Surround, I guess it is safe to go with that and update the Blu-Ray along with all other Blu-rays, for which the tool also states Surround tracks. This tool displays for nearly all Stereo tracks that are right now unproven (just taken the info from the cover) in the database that the stereo tracks are actually surround tracks. Before I do massive contribution updates I would like to hear opinions from you. cheers Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Cool Donnie, thanks for the info. What other info does it read. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
This is for the Pelham 123 Blu-ray, as that tool clearly states the commentary tracks are encoded Dolby Surround, I guess it is safe to go with that and update the Blu-Ray along with all other Blu-rays, for which the tool also states Surround tracks.
This tool displays for nearly all Stereo tracks that are right now unproven (just taken the info from the cover) in the database that the stereo tracks are actually surround tracks.
I wasn't privy to the last discussion and I'm no audio expert, but the description of those tracks reads 2.0 - if they were proper surround shouldn't that read 2.1? Doesn't the 2.0 mean stereo? |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Northbloke, it reads 2.0 with Dolby Surround flag, you can clearly see the "Dolby Surround" after the 2.0
It says:
2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
cheers Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | No North, Dolby 2.0 can be Mono, Stereo or Surround. The .1 designation would be for a subwoofer which is not applicable the Dolby Surround. That only applies in 4.0 (I think) and above. Don't get me started on the whole Mono, Stereo, Surround again. It's ugly and i don't want to do it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Cool Donnie, thanks for the info. What other info does it read. It also tells you the exact length of each track, the languages, Bit Rates and much more, it is a really nice tool. Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Have you tried it on 2.0 mono and stereo tracks and what was the result? | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote: Have you tried it on 2.0 mono and stereo tracks and what was the result? It says Mono on Mono tracks, I tried that, for Stereo tracks, as I stated in the other heated discussion, they are almost non existing, so if you can tell me a Blu-ray which you think has a 2.0 Stereo track, let me know (of course I have to own that Blu-ray too) cheers Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Only from recent memory but I think the commentary on Pan's Labyrinth was DTS 2.0 stereo, or at least ambiguous. Actually, I just downloaded the program so I can test it myself... | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote: Have you tried it on [...] stereo tracks and what was the result? I'd like to see that, too: is there any stereo track that it doesn't label "Surround"? If there are, even if there are just a few, then I'd trust the "Surround" label just that extra tad more... I've downloaded the program and I'll try and test some of my own blu-rays for this when I've got the time. |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote: Quoting Kinoniki:
Quote: Have you tried it on 2.0 mono and stereo tracks and what was the result?
It says Mono on Mono tracks, I tried that, for Stereo tracks, as I stated in the other heated discussion, they are almost non existing, so if you can tell me a Blu-ray which you think has a 2.0 Stereo track, let me know (of course I have to own that Blu-ray too)
cheers Donnie I was actually just comparing my collection to yours to see which are currently marked as stereo & then checking them on my player. I'll let you know if I find any Stereo Blu-ray titles. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Okay, here's the result for Pan's Labyrinth. It just says 2.0, no surround. Quote: Codec Language Bitrate Description ----- -------- ------- ----------- DTS-HD Master Audio Spanish 0 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit) Dolby Digital Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / DN -4dB
So at least the program sort of confirms my suspicision, from just using my ears. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Found one!
Band of Brothers (7321900233422)
I used disc 1, episode 1 and switched to the French & Spanish audio tracks and they were both reported as Stereo.
Edit: I've got no Blu-ray drive on the PC so I can't check myself. | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Heyas, also found a stereo one: Elektra Blu-Ray it displays NO Dolby Surround for the 2.0 track. So I think it can be said, that this tool gets it correct Any objections Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | So it seems. At least it's a whole lot better than just guessing and assuming. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote: So I think it can be said, that this tool gets it correct
Any objections
Donnie I think it looks good so far. The only thing I'm slightly concerned about is the version number seems to suggest it's still a beta. As such, if there's a conflict between what the software says & what people's hardware says, which do we believe? Also, Bridge to Terabithia (786936733624) reports both commentary tracks as Stereo. |
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