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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | There's currently a contribution pending trying to change the existing entry: Toru // Tanaka [Professor Toru Tanaka] to Professor Toru Tanaka // The reason given for this change: Quote: Corrected credit for "Professor Toru Tanaka", because it is a stage name. According to the rules the complete stage name has to be in the first name field. My question is: Is this interpretation correct? IMO the stage name Professor Toru Tanaka is in the same lines as e.g. Nicholas Cage, John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, etc. So (again IMO only) the only parsing rule that would apply here is the "Honorific"-rule. What do you think? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Not again.... Discussed here as well. As I wrote in the first linked thread above, I think DVDP should accommodate the average DVDP user, who has no clue which names are stage names and which are not. So I fully agree with your position. Adopting the stage name argument would imply that every single stage name (John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt etc.) would have to go into the first name field. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: There's currently a contribution pending trying to change the existing entry: Toru // Tanaka [Professor Toru Tanaka] to Professor Toru Tanaka //
Looks more like a CLT change to me, and Professor Toru Tanaka is the common name so the change is correct. How we chose to parse it in our local databases is irrelevant now since the online doesn't care anymore. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: How we chose to parse it in our local databases is irrelevant now since the online doesn't care anymore. Not quite, I agree that it would be irrelevant if the change would have been from Professor Toru // Tanaka to Professor Toru Tanaka //. But a change from "Toru Tanaka" to "Professor Toru Tanaka" makes a difference no matter how it is parsed. The question is: Does the "Honorific"-rule apply on stage names too? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: My question is: Is this interpretation correct? IMO the stage name Professor Toru Tanaka is in the same lines as e.g. Nicholas Cage, John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, etc. So (again IMO only) the only parsing rule that would apply here is the "Honorific"-rule.
What do you think? Unfortunately, yes, the interpretation is correct. While it is common practice, among most of the Profiler community, to treat stage names, that look like real names, as real names, the rules don't support it. While I don't like it, the change is correct per the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Lovely. So who's going to start re-entering all John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise entries? I'll make sure to lock my entire collection and stop contributing altogether... |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,745 |
| Posted: | | | | That begs the question: Who isn't using a stage name? Sure, many actors use their birth name, but there's also a huge portion - especially the more known ones - that use at least a derivative of their own name. How far is one allowed from one's name to be still considered his or her real name?
Surely Paul Wesley is just a stage name for Paul Wasilewski, so every The Vampire Diaries credit should be corrected accordingly? | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: Lovely. So who's going to start re-entering all John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise entries? I'll make sure to lock my entire collection and stop contributing altogether... Anyone can do this locally if they wish but luckily the online will see no difference between John // Wayne and John Wayne //. At least I hope it doesn't. I'm gonna try just to make sure... Trying to change Marilyn // Monroe to Marilyn Monroe //. Nope, no changes detected. Phew! | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Good to know, many thanks for testing! Still, if this is indeed the rule (personally I think it's ambivalent enough to be unable to categorically state it is), it really needs changing. |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: I'll make sure to lock my entire collection and stop contributing altogether... Stopped contributing 3 months ago. Didn't want to spoil the online-database. Funnily, while most of the participants of this poll seem to agree with my interpretation, the Martian is correct: Strictly applying the rules wouldn't support this. Seems my decision was correct then. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | For that matter, Madonna is using her birth name. This rule badly needs a rewrite. As for honorifics, I think this is like Queen Latifah. If it's not a real honorific, but part of their stage name, we should treat it as such. |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Don't many actors legally change their names. If so, what once may have been a stage name ceases to be a stage name, right? Which makes it virtually impossible to follow the rules as interpreted by the Martian. Anyone care to do the research on such cases or to change all entries once such a name change has passed? Just one more argument for a rule change. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Don't many actors legally change their names. If so, what once may have been a stage name ceases to be a stage name, right?
Which makes it virtually impossible to follow the rules as interpreted by the Martian. Anyone care to do the research on such cases or to change all entries once such a name change has passed? Just one more argument for a rule change. I think the rule about stage names could simply be removed. It doesn't serve a purpose anymore since parsing has become a personal preference. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: I think the rule about stage names could simply be removed. It doesn't serve a purpose anymore since parsing has become a personal preference. +1 Would you take this to the Rules Discussion forum, please. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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