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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,750 |
| | Posted: | | | | The hole ping-ponging of BYs is extremely annoying. I just had to accept a contribution which had several valid changes, but included the BY for Tom Noonan which as best as I can tell is invalid. Then I have to go to that profile and remove the BY yet again for the umteenth time. I don't understand how these invalid BYs keep getting past the screeners. I know there job is a thankless one, but there has got to be a better way to lock these down. OK, I'm off my soapbox now. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Without having checked the actual common name the BY for Tom Noonan might actually be valid. There is an actor who's IMDb name is Tommy Noonan, who quite often seems to have gotten credited Tom Noonan. Since Common Names are sometimes even harder to spot than BYs I'd even opt for keeping the BY in this case. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,750 |
| | Posted: | | | | From what I have read in these forums, the 2nd one is mostly credited as Tommy. If that's wrong, I would be happy to let the BY stand. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
Then I have to go to that profile and remove the BY yet again for the umteenth time. ?? I don't get this. You only have to remove BY once. It's not profile related. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
?? I don't get this. You only have to remove BY once. It's not profile related. It's not profile-related indeed, but it is a problem that unneeded/invalid birth years that somehow managed to make their way onto Invelos's own "accepted" list keep popping up in contributions over and over again. Like mreeder50, I can't count the times I've had to remove birth years for the likes of Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson and John Cleese - they keep popping up in profile contributions... |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
From what I have read in these forums, the 2nd one is mostly credited as Tommy. ?? Any source for this? All I found was a statement from T!M who basically said that without actually checking he'd say "No" to the necessity of a BY. @Kulju BY is profile related, not in your local database, but for the maindatabase it surely is. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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?? I don't get this. You only have to remove BY once. It's not profile related.
It's not profile-related indeed, but it is a problem that unneeded/invalid birth years that somehow managed to make their way onto Invelos's own "accepted" list keep popping up in contributions over and over again. Like mreeder50, I can't count the times I've had to remove birth years for the likes of Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson and John Cleese - they keep popping up in profile contributions... Indeed - it is a continuous battle to keep these out. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
The hole ping-ponging of BYs is extremely annoying. I just had to accept a contribution which had several valid changes. No, you did not have to "accept" anything. Now you know how I feel when someone loads up a contribution with group headers for song titles. There's something here to annoy everyone. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Group headers with song titles are Invelos policy, invalid birth years are not - there is a difference. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Group headers with song titles are Invelos policy Source?? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Group headers with song titles are Invelos policy, invalid birth years are not - there is a difference. No, they are the policy of some users who have decided that song writers, even when there is only one, are considered a 'logical grouping' or 'crew team'. Invelos has never stated that this is a valid use of group dividers. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still haven't heard one valid reason not to add song dividers. The rules for (group) dividers are written very broad for a reason. Dividers are added for giving context to the credits. Just like Companies, Song Titles aren't part of the job description itself. Just my two cents. But this is way off topic'.
On topic: the BYs are only necessary if there are at least two different persons under the same common name. If not sure of the common name then a common name thread should be started. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
I still haven't heard one valid reason not to add song dividers. You mean other than the fact that the rules don't say that is a valid use for them? Quote:
The rules for (group) dividers are written very broad for a reason. I don't see them as being written 'very broad'. In fact, I think they are quite specific. Quote:
Dividers are added for giving context to the credits. In your opinion. The rules, however, say that they "allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings." For crew credits, they specifically say that they are for 'crew teams'. Quote:
Just like Companies, Song Titles aren't part of the job description itself. True enough, but company names are specifically mentioned in the rules, song titles are not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | I never understood the rule that BY is only to be added when needed. It creates more problems than it solves, since we discuss more often if a BY is valid, searching for possible name relatives. It's also never future proof, as at any time a new duplicate might show up. I know we would never find all the BYs, but "put in all you can" should be less troubleseome?
Anyway, it is what it is, I guess. FWIW, I have given up on teh ping pongs and if I et a BY I'll keep it even if not strictly needed... | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Anyway, it is what it is, I guess. FWIW, I have given up on teh ping pongs and if I et a BY I'll keep it even if not strictly needed... I am actually the opposite. Unless I know I need the BY, and it is to distinguish between two famous people, or someone famous from someone not so famous, I delete them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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Group headers with song titles are Invelos policy, invalid birth years are not - there is a difference.
No, they are the policy of some users who have decided that song writers, even when there is only one, are considered a 'logical grouping' or 'crew team'. Invelos has never stated that this is a valid use of group dividers. Sorry, my bad. I mixed up this issue with the issue regarding the listing of full contexts ("Special Effects by company X") in group dividers. So let me rephrase: "There is no explicit Invelos policy on group headers with song titles, while such policy does exist regarding invalid birth years - there is a difference." |
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